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thanks everyone! It's pretty much what I already guessed.. Just taking friends out on your boat implies your the captain and responsible for them. paying or not.
yes, but no license needed unless you are for hire. friends can pay expenses
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Re: "Paying" friends wanting to go on the boat.

If money changed hands the courts may say' Passengers' Not good and friendships tend to vaporize in the presence of lawyers. You're responsible as captain and the insurance co has just bowed out. If friend 'charters' the vessel he/she becomes temporary owner and is totally responsible even if he hires you to skipper. If he collects a share from friends they become passengers. Not good. In Canada ,the vessel must be CSI for overnight passengers to allow B and B type activity so no go there either. Day sailing also requires CSI along with the usual 60 ton/60 pass minimum captains ticket and insurance and local business license. Vessel requirements break at over /under 15 tons and 12 pass.Things like inflatable covered life raft and CO2 fire suppression and water tight bulkheads and life jackets (not PFDs) and major flood control systems and remote fuel shutoffs ad nausea are just part of annual inspection and every 4 years they want to see rudder and prop shaft and all the thru hulls on a table. Then there is the megger test and CG test of dsc radio etc and annual raft refit. Miss something? No CSI and its just a private yacht.
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Re: "Paying" friends wanting to go on the boat.

I'm not a lawyer, and this is probably not good advice, but if your "friends" are really actual friends and not a euphemism for customers, maybe you could work out a cash deal that doesn't involve soliciting the advice of strangers on the Internet and no one's the wiser?

Remember, I'm not a lawyer, and this is probably not good advice.
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Re: "Paying" friends wanting to go on the boat.

They say the first ship to sink is a partnership. However, if you can find that rare partner that splits the bills and you get along with, it seriously reduces cost. Especially on a sailboat, where there are very few variable costs.

If you go this route, this is my strongest advice. The first thing you must agree to and have in writing is how to get out of the partnership. IOW, how to buy out your partner without any fuss or muss, you just follow the previously agreed upon process and its done. No talking about it, no voting on it, no negotiating price, just do this and that and its done.
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Re: "Paying" friends wanting to go on the boat.

Denise-

Let's set aside the charter/pay question for a moment, and just look at reducing your expenses so that you can keep the boat.

1. How far do you drive to reach the boat now?
2. Where are you, and where is the boat?
3. Have you considered shifting to a mooring ball? It might be cheaper.
4. How do you feel about living aboard?

I know you have a serious aversion to high heat and humidity, but as an HVAC person, I know that you know, that you can put A/C on the boat in the summer.

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Re: "Paying" friends wanting to go on the boat.

On the sharing the costs thing, if one itemized each and every expense of owning a boat, including depreciation, and divides it by actual usage, the cost per hour could be quite substantial. I'd imagine most people would think they were making a nice profit.

Before jumping in, I would contact my insurance company to see where they draw the line. Then I'd contact the CG and see where they draw the line. And before I decided to go ahead with the plan, I'd have all that in writing before accepting the first passenger.
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Denise-

Let's set aside the charter/pay question for a moment, and just look at reducing your expenses so that you can keep the boat.

1. How far do you drive to reach the boat now?
2. Where are you, and where is the boat?
3. Have you considered shifting to a mooring ball? It might be cheaper.
4. How do you feel about living aboard?

I know you have a serious aversion to high heat and humidity, but as an HVAC person, I know that you know, that you can put A/C on the boat in the summer.
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My thread was if I were able to get the boat down to Chesapeake bay. Currently I'm in a YC and all my expenses for the boat about a 1100 a yr. and even that is hard to make. Needing new sails (or used) new furler, fabric projects etc. money just isn't there anymore.

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Thanks Bubbles,
My thread was if I were able to get the boat down to Chesapeake bay. Currently I'm in a YC and all my expenses for the boat about a 1100 a yr. and even that is hard to make. Needing new sails (or used) new furler, fabric projects etc. money just isn't there anymore.
Denise,

I'm not sure how you could beat that annual rate on the Chesapeake, even on a mooring.

Best of luck in whatever you decide.

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Re: "Paying" friends wanting to go on the boat.

Thanks Donna and it's why I just can't make down to the Chessy anymore.

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Currently I'm in a YC and all my expenses for the boat about a 1100 a yr. and even that is hard to make. Needing new sails (or used) new furler, fabric projects etc. money just isn't there anymore.
If a couple hundred a month is taxing you, I'm sorry to say it's time to sell the boat....
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