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People complain about government waste, then complain more when the government gets efficient!

I don't know about the specific economics of their offset litho and digital presses, but here we switch to digital for quantities below about 5,000. I imagine that for most regions they sell fewer than 5,000 charts a year, so digital is the smart way to do it.

Wouldn't the quality of the printing of the digital charts depend on who you buy them from? Our large-format digital printers can produce more detail than our offset presses, and we can print a bigger variety of substrates. Wouldn't it be cool to have all your charts on Tyvek?

Hmmm... Maybe I should suggest to sales that we become a NOAA-certified printer...

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Or, unless you need one...

Your imagination is lacking, if you can't envision a situation where a paper chart might be a really, REALLY nice thing to have... :-)
I guess my imagination is lacking. Where would one need a paper chart where an electronic chart would not work?
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I guess my imagination is lacking. Where would one need a paper chart where an electronic chart would not work?
Uhhh, when the electrons cease flowing to/within whatever device is displaying your electronic charts, perhaps?

It HAS been known to happen, after all... :-)
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I guess my imagination is lacking. Where would one need a paper chart where an electronic chart would not work?
Zombie apocalypse comes to mind.

NOAA isn't printing charts anymore, because they aren't selling as many and they see the trend ahead. I get that, not surprised.

You'll still be able to get them(from others),but if demand keeps dropping I suspect price will go up, print quality will go down(following a general trend in print media?)

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Uhhh, when the electrons cease flowing to/within whatever device is displaying your electronic charts, perhaps?

It HAS been known to happen, after all... :-)
When paper charts get wet they tend not to work well either.

That's been known to happen as well. Maybe we just plan for these very rare occurrences in case they do happen. Spare battery or a charging source in your example would seem to cover it.

I guess I was thinking you meant paper charts had some benefit other than just being paper. IDK.

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Zombie apocalypse comes to mind.
Now that could be an issue...
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Yes, I agree that we are spoiled, BUT, without getting into a political discustion, who made us this way?
We are a government of the people, FOR, the people. The government is not supposed to be a money making process for the benefit of a few at the top or to support the rest of the world, it is supposted to be for the benifit of WE, all the people under this government.
We the people work, pay our taxes, and elect people to run this country for the benefit of we, the people.
I, as a sailor, know that when I take my boat out that I have acknowaged that I must be competent in my abillities, knowledgable of the laws and rules governing my actions while sailing, and shall at all times manage my craft for the safety and enjoyment of ALL who share the waters with me.
I will be the first to step up a pay a few dollars extra to cover the "printing" cost for up-to-date charts IF i know that that is what it takes, but to simply take that ability out of my hands is a rather thoughless action of certain 'gubment' officials. To say that you can go down to your 'local' chart maker and get your charts is a step back in time to the 1500 and 'here be dragons'. When did he last update his data? How sharp is his printer, how smear proof his ink?
Oh, you say, print your own. I don't have a printer that will print over 8 1/2 x 14, do you? I don't carry an onboard computer, laptop, or surface, and while a chart plotter system would be wonderful it isn't in my budget this year or next or even the forseable future, the GPS was a major buy. I, like most of my sailing buddies, are NOT in the 2% or even the 10% bracket.
We sail the rivers, lakes, bays and coastal waters of the Gulf for our own pleasure and to fullfill our dreams of exploration, find new places and have fun doing it. We use our charts to resonablly, safely, go into waters unknown to us.
I guess we had better practice up using lead lines, range finders, and set dragon watches on the bow.
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When paper charts get wet they tend not to work well either.
That's when you're going to need the Tyvek charts that I'm going to go into business selling!

I think the quality will improve with time. These on demand charts are printed on large format inkjet printers, and the price of these has been plummeting and the quality is getting much better.

I have a Canon iPF6300 sitting right behind me. It prints 24" wide by however long at 2400dpi. The quality is stunning, you have to use a good glass to even see the dots. You can pick one up for under $4,000.

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Your imagination is lacking, if you can't envision a situation where a paper chart might be a really, REALLY nice thing to have... :-)
A paper chart is always a nice thing to have, in fact an essential thing to have. It is simply amazing to me that people would trust electronic devices enough to not have paper charts as backups.

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As soon as the pdf's are available, it's a pretty easy process to select the charts you want, email them off, and have them printed out by custom print shops. Then you can get them printed on anything from paper to Mylar film, for just a couple of bucks.

The fact that the government is getting out of the printing business and sending this function back to private industry seems like a win all the way round.

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