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Re: Fraud on the hook

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I would suspect the locals haven't salvaged the wreck (refloated it) because it technically isn't abandoned, as the owners are detained not simply absent by choice. And that someone in the government there may be thinking, if they allow the vessel to deteriorate, by whatever means, well, that pretty much helps to ensure the invaders won't be coming back again, doesn't it? Without the expense and nuisance of the usual legal process.

Pursuing the Bulgarnadians, might be seen as counterproductive towards those ends.
From what we have heard the Bulgarnadians are in the DR or possibly beyond.
They will not be pursued by any government for this crime, I am sure, but the tiger rarely changes it's stripes, so I doubt that this is the last we have heard of their misadventures. I shall certainly keep a look out for Fata Morgana down this way. How about anyone spotting the boat give a heads up on here, please.
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Re: Fraud on the hook

I am sure it is not to anyone's advantage, much less interest, to pursue them. But in or out of the venue, they're still border hopping, and borders make for easy places to assert arrest warrants. On the vessel, as well as the crew. It simply is more advantageous, less expensive, to let them roam. And let the Frenchmen go after them.(G)

I wonder, who was it that first said "Karma's a b'tch." ?
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Re: Fraud on the hook

Well said. These people are thieves.

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Karma schmarma . . . do any of you really believe the universe is structured to satisfy any of our petty score-keeping? There was no grand tradition here, this was theft pure and simple. The Bahamian law is perfectly clear. And, not for nothing it wasn't theft of a meal or even money to support a habit. It was theft by relatively wealthy foreign cruisers on an expensive multihull who went on to justify it and even brag about it on the internet like a bunch of highschoolers videotaping themselves playing mailbox baseball. They had the luxury of adult brains, financial security, a life of leisure and they still stole. Simply pathetic if you ask me.
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I am wondering if this constitutes piracy in which case the offenders' vessel may be subject to arrest.

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I am sure it is not to anyone's advantage, much less interest, to pursue them. But in or out of the venue, they're still border hopping, and borders make for easy places to assert arrest warrants. On the vessel, as well as the crew. It simply is more advantageous, less expensive, to let them roam. And let the Frenchmen go after them.(G)

I wonder, who was it that first said "Karma's a b'tch." ?
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WOW, Karma, but also a note on who to watch out for.
Salvage is salvage, but this isn't salvage it's thievery.
Yes, if they were "salvaging" the boat, they would have had to removed the boat from the reef. They then would be able to take anything of value to cover there expenses, but would have been responsible for disposing the hull. Seems no one involved here seems to have any sense of responsibility except for Pat Stockwell. Stockwell seems to be taking responsibility for trusting these idiots. Though it sounds like he has received some of the money from the local cruiser community. But to not hold a grudge, I think he is a better man than myself. I personally would like to buy that guy a beer if I ever make it down there!
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Yes, if they were "salvaging" the boat, they would have had to removed the boat from the reef.
Is the boat FC? If so who wants it? If it is aluminum I will be right over with scuba gear and float bags
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it's a steel boat.
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Re: Fraud on the hook

Get the plank out
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it's a steel boat.
poor reef. at least it will not remain there above water long. Is it still floating at all? If it is they need to move it before 12 months are up. It will most likely be holed within 12 months of having the paint come off.
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doubt it's going anyplace. too remote, and the boat likely isn't much of a prize, it sat in Oriental,NC. on the hook for a year. hard to say when it had any love before that.
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