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There is a biodegradable plastic available, but it's tensile strength is garbage. It's made with corn starch, and takes about 6 years to fall apart. And, it needs direct sunlight in order to deteriorate into dust. When buried in a landfill, it lasts forever. The only real benefit of plastic over paper is that it takes up less space in the landfill and you don't have to kill a tree. The manufacturing process of paper wraps is far more costly, more environmental damaging and it too tends to last forever when buried in a landfill. There's an outfit that was featured on the discover channel that found 100 year old newspapers in a NY landfill that were as good as the day they were printed - preserved perfectly by the soil they were encapsulated within. Go figure.

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Most people think that trash is supposed to decompose in a landfill. The opposite is actually true. Landfills have a water proof liner and a clay water proof cap. Idea is to try to keep all water out so the leachate does not contaminate water sources. In the process, there is very little oxygen in a landfill. Landfills actually produce methane that can be burned and used to produce electicity by using a gas turbine.
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I am more worried about plastic pollution as opposed to the US national debt. The Earth can always file for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, but it will take us a 1,000 years to recover from the waste we lay on her.
If the US government files for a Chapter 11 (if that were even possible) we'll all be eating the plastic.

There will be no food.

Worldwide.

Maybe plastic coffins made from material found floating in the sea? There is going to be huge demand. Mmmmmmm . . . . .
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Most people think that trash is supposed to decompose in a landfill. The opposite is actually true. Landfills have a water proof liner and a clay water proof cap. Idea is to try to keep all water out so the leachate does not contaminate water sources. In the process, there is very little oxygen in a landfill. Landfills actually produce methane that can be burned and used to produce electicity by using a gas turbine.
Trvia fact: Anybody know what the worlds largest man made thing is?


It's the Fresh Kills Landfill in Staten Island, NY
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If the US government files for a Chapter 11 (if that were even possible) we'll all be eating the plastic.

There will be no food.

Worldwide.

Maybe plastic coffins made from material found floating in the sea? There is going to be huge demand. Mmmmmmm . . . . .
We can eat the "plastic eating cows".
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I saw my first land-fill fire when I was a kid in Baltimore. The old Baltimore landfill was directly across the harbor in the Patapsco's lower reaches and was about 90 feet above the high tide line. We used to go there and shoot rats with a .22 rifle, which was legal back then and the amazing thing is you could burn the barrel out of your rifle before you could put a tiny dent in the landfill's rat population.

That landfill never harvested their methane gas emissions, and one evening it burst into a blue flame that shot 20 feet in the air and burned for a week. It was really wild. I was really amazed at the difference the gold domes at the Back River Wastewater Treatment Plant have made during the past decade. There was a time when you couldn't stand to be downwind of the plant because of the methane emissions, but today, the odoriferous waft is very faint, even on a hot, humid, summer evening. The methane is now being harvested from the plant and sold to the City of Baltimore for fuel, at least that's what I was told. I thought that was pretty neat!

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I would have thought the pacific plastic gyre was bigger. Not enough data maybe. One day after the breakup we'll be mining it to rebuild our petro chemical industry.
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A hundred years after man has died off, the oceans will be fine.
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Couple weeks back sailed to Annapolis and back to R.I. Went through D+C canal. Down outside L.I. back up through NYC and inside L.I. Did part from NYC double handed. Even coastal big issue on all legs was "dead heads". Totally amazed at the amount of crap in the water and the near impossibility of seeing it especially at night until it was past you. Off shore have run into cars ( with the white plastic wrap still on them), seen containers, logs telephone poles and acres of plastic. Our rule is if you can eat it you can throw it in the ocean ( makes for happy crabs and lobsters). Otherwise goes in the lazerette. On land compose and recycle. Don't think this is a political issue. Just think it makes sense to not defecate where you eat.
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If groups can "adopt a road" maybe we should start an "adopt a river" program?
That is a good idea. You may be glad to learn that many, maybe most, river running clubs have annual cleanup days for their local rivers. Often, nearby municipalities will contribute by picking up the collected garbage that the boaters deposit in piles at specified take-outs.
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