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joeuke 10-24-2013 02:28 PM

Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
Hi folks-
I'm trying to get a title on a trailer for this older sailboat.
I'm told it needs a 'certificate of origin'. don't know if a copy would do the trick.
Apparently in PA if you don't have this you can't get a tag for the thing.
Which would cause the deal to fall through.

Anyone got one they could email me a copy??

thanks

Joe

krisscross 10-24-2013 03:49 PM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
Did you buy it brand new from the dealer? If not, all you need is a bill of sale from the seller, listing the trailer make, model and number.

Geoff54 10-24-2013 03:54 PM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
If the trailer is from a professional manufacturer, it will have a VIN either stamped into the frame or, more usually stamped into a plate which is permanently attached to the frame. The manufacturer supplies a Certificate of Origin that identifies that particular trailer and is used the first time it is registered. No one but the original manufacturer can provide you with one.

If it has been previously titled, the old title + a bill of sale is usually sufficient.

The rules varies a little from state to state but if the trailer was home built it needs to be inspected by whoever does that in your state – usually State Police or Highway Patrol, who attach a “Home Built VIN” plate. You also need to prove the origin (i.e. that you aren’t trying to title a stolen trailer) by providing a bill of sale, receipts for materials, etc. (it varies). Find a friendly person at Motor Vehicles and find out if a bill of sale is sufficient for you.

Motor Vehicles in rural areas are usually more friendly than in cities.

Good Luck.

Geoff54 10-24-2013 04:01 PM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
Here you go - from PA DMV - my bolding, their ambiguity...

Homemade Trailers

To register your homemade trailer, or one made from a kit, you must have the trailer pass a safety inspection. This must take place at a state-approved safety inspection station. Your trailer will be photographed during the inspection.

After passing, present the inspector or certified document reviewer with:

Completed form MV-426B
Proof of ownership (title, Manufacturer's Statement of Origin or Certificate of Origin, bill of sale)
Completed form MV-1 (unavailable online)
Detailed description on how the vehicle was assembled

The title fee for homemade trailers is $22.50, plus you'll need to pay sales tax, and the appropriate trailer registration fee. The annual registration fees for trailers weighing:

3,000 lbs. or less―$6
3,001 lbs. to 10,000 lbs.―$12
10,001 lbs. or more―$27

You may register trailers 10,000 pounds or less for one to five years at a time.

mad_machine 10-24-2013 04:44 PM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
or if you know somebody in Florida, you can register it there. They do not care one iota where a trailer came from. I did that with mine as it was just a "yard trailer" that I needed to drag 400 miles to get my sailboat home

joeuke 10-25-2013 11:27 AM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
Yah I saw that stuff on the home made trailer, thanks.

The guy at the 'enhanced inspection facility' that I talked to said I'd have to produce invoices showing the materials purchased to make the trailer.

He also said if I can't get the COO I can't get a tag on the thing.
Which sounds stupid.

No hope of contacting the company, they went out of business in the 1980s.

I emailed the PA DMV my question, but have not heard back from them.
Maybe I will call....

maybe the out of state thing is the way to go...

Smier 10-25-2013 11:25 PM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
Unfortunately, Pa is one of the hardest states to title and register anything. I have had several fun experiences trying to title vehicles in Pa. The certificate of origin is only issued by the manufacturer and is what is used by dealers to title a vehicle originally. It is also specific to each trailer/vehicle vin, so even if you could get a copy of one from someone else, it wouldn't help you unless it was for your specific trailers vin.
Are you purchasing this trailer from out of state, or from someone in Pa? This is important, because if it was ever titled in Pa, you have limited options. If there is a title for it in Pa already, you have two options. Track down the last titled owner and have them sign off on a duplicate or the original title, or you can spend $400+ in court and notary fees to try and get the court to assign a title to you. This again involves making an attempt to contact the original owners. The danger in this is if it comes back as stolen, or the original owner decides they want it back, legally it belongs to them.
You may be able to register and or title it out of state, and you may be able to then use that out of state registration to get a title in Pa, but I highly suggest you talk to some notaries first. Remember, notaries are private businesses in Pa, and they need to protect their license from the state, so many will not help you if there are any questions regarding a title... They can't risk being put out of business by the state for not following the rules. I tried for several years to get a title for an vintage motorcycle I am restoring, I finally had to buy another frame with a title to swap everything onto to get a title and registration. You could always do what I do, the trailer in my avatar picture doesn't have a title or registration. I just swap plates from my other boat trailer whenever I need to tow it anywhere... 30 years of galvanizing, rust, and paint have made it impossible to find the vin on my trailer anyway!

joeuke 10-28-2013 12:25 AM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
OK, would someone tell me where on the trailer the VIN is located?

thanks

Joe

Smier 10-28-2013 01:30 AM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
The vin could be located on a riveted metal tag, printed on a sticker/label, or may have been stamped somewhere on the trailer frame or a combination of all of them. There is also a good possibility decades of rust, uv damage, and paint have covered up any visible vin's. Some times they are stamped on the trailer tongue or frame crossmembers. Good luck hunting, hope this helps!

joeuke 10-28-2013 09:38 AM

Re: Certificate of Origin for Galilee trailer needed
 
OK, thanks, but if anyone has a Galilee trailer (made by the Galilee factory w the Galilee sticker on it) please tell me where the VIN is.

Joe


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