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Please post a link to more information on the RTW mini trip if you have. Always curious why someone did not try a single hand RTW with such a boat- I guess they did. Interested as I know someone that races the mini and is planning a non stop RTW trip, but his boat of choice is an S&S 34. Mini does seem like a much faster way to go.
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But interestingly, the Pogo is crewed by at least four people, according to the video. Is it easily manageable by a cruising couple? Unless the answer is yes (and maybe it is), it is not a "safer" boat for a short-handed crew.
And what leads you to that conclusion?

The Pogo 12.50 has the same hull than a Pogo 40 that is a 40class racer and those boats are used to Ocean solo racing.

The Pogo 12.50 has a smaller rig that make it more easy to manage and a cruising interior.

40 class racers are also used on with a short crew in a circumnavigation race (duo sailed).

Some use 40class racers and Open 40's are used for extensive cruising and there is a guy that is circumnavigating, sometimes with his wife and 3 small kids (he solo sails the boat).



Here you can see him sailing the class40 with almost 50K.





Anasazi Racing: THE BOAT

Even Chinese use that type of boat to circumnavigate non stop



and he made it in 137 days, not bad.

So, what leads you to the conclusion that it is not a safe boat for a short handed crew?

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And what leads you to that conclusion?

The Pogo 12.50 has the same hull than a Pogo 40 that is a 40class racer and those boats are used to Ocean solo racing.

The Pogo 12.50 has a smaller rig that make it more easy to manage and a cruising interior.

40 class racers are also used on with a short crew in a circumnavigation race (duo sailed).

Some use 40class racers and Open 40's are used for extensive cruising and there is a guy that is circumnavigating, sometimes with his wife and 3 small kids (he solo sails the boat).



Here you can see him sailing the class40 with almost 50K.





Anasazi Racing: THE BOAT

Even Chinese use that type of boat to circumnavigate non stop



and he made it in 137 days, not bad.

So, what leads you to the conclusion that it is not a safe boat for a short handed crew?

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Paulo - read what I wrote. I assiduously avoided drawing any conclusions. In any case, a solo race boat and a solo cruising boat are two entirely different things. How many people go cruising in an Open 60?
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Paulo - read what I wrote. I assiduously avoided drawing any conclusions. In any case, a solo race boat and a solo cruising boat are two entirely different things. How many people go cruising in an Open 60?
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But interestingly, the Pogo is crewed by at least four people, according to the video. Is it easily manageable by a cruising couple? Unless the answer is yes (and maybe it is), it is not a "safer" boat for a short-handed crew.
But you keep confusing things: Those boats are not Open 60 but 40class racers. The Pogo 12.50 is a performance cruiser with the same hull of a 40class racer but with a smaller rig and a good cruising interior even if a bit spartan. A Pogo 12.50 is a lot more easy to sail than a 40class racer (less power). A 40class racer is designed to be solo sailed by an experienced sailor.

The boat that I posted and that deserved your first comment regarding not being suited for short hand cruising is a a Pogo 12.50. The boat was elected this year as the 2013 European performance cruiser and Is a big sales success with a long waiting list.

There is at least a member of this forum that has a Pogo 12.50. He posted recently a video sailing his boat with a friend (he has a broken arm).

There is another member of this forum that is in France to buy one. If I am not mistaken he is American and will sail the boat back home.

The Pogo 12.50 is one of the few performance cruisers that is unsuitable to race (ratting too high to be competitive) and is used exclusively by its owners for cruising, I would say, fast cruising.

There are several cruising extensively. Here you have a Russian one

Pogo 12.50 Easy: TRANSAT

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Well, asking a question is not the same as drawing a conclusion. Might I suggest that you seem overly defensive?
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Well, asking a question is not the same as drawing a conclusion. Might I suggest that you seem overly defensive?
I am sorry and you are right. Take into consideration that English is not my first language and yes, even on the second time I misunderstood you. Yes you were making a question and it seemed to me a statement. I hope I have answered your question

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I am sorry and you are right. Take into consideration that English is not my first language and yes, even on the second time I misunderstood you. Yes you were making a question and it seemed to me a statement. I hope I have answered your question

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My apologies - I should have realized where the confusion originated. No hard feelings!
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