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-Do I fear being uncomfortable more than I fear not being able to manhandle the boat?
-Do I fear a large amount of complexity more than I fear having to give up performance and seakeeping?
-Do I fear spending a lot of money to buy and maintain a boat than I fear living in a cramped cabin?
-Do I fear being rolled in a 25 foot wave, than I fear being rolled in a 50 foot wave?
-Do I fear having to work for a few more years more than I fear not have a dedicated_______ (fill in the blank...chart table, galley table, pilothouse,gigantic steering wheel or twin wheels, etc.)
-Do I fear having a dinghy which is a third of the length of my boat and needs to be deflated and stored more than I fear not being able to anchor close to shore?
-Do I fear taking twice as long making a passage, than I fear paying for a bigger slip or not being able to trailer my boat?
-Do I fear having to ration my consumables on a long passage more than I fear losing fingers or worse adjusting extremely highly stressed control lines?
-Do I fear the sense of being isolated from the sailing that comes with highly mechanized sailing more than I fear the physical labor of sailing a smaller less mechanized boat?

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Also, I want to say that we chose and keep our boat, not from the "fear" you talk about...... BUT, an analysis and decision one EVERY point you talk about! That is, for an example, we don't fear the time of a passage, no matter what size boat we have, but we do take it into consideration.

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After reading this thread, I think I'll keep my little S&S 34:

Does everything I want and need, at least until I win the lottery.

Do like those Sundeers though, or an Open 60- if I knew how to sail one.
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Just for fun lets ask our selfs what exactly safer means? does it mean that big boats, say over 40' don't need liferafts or epribs? If this is the case why is that larger boats are more likely to carry more "safety" gear in anticipation of catastrophic loss? Why is it that 9 of 10 coast guard rescue videos are of large boats and how is it possible that small boats have safely crossed every sea in the world since the beginning of time? Its not the boat!
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They are just saying that having reached the age of 62 they think it is too much boat for them now. It was obviously that it was not before, when they were younger. They have sailed it extensively.

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Just for fun lets ask our selfs what exactly safer means? does it mean that big boats, say over 40' don't need liferafts or epribs? If this is the case why is that larger boats are more likely to carry more "safety" gear in anticipation of catastrophic loss? Why is it that 9 of 10 coast guard rescue videos are of large boats and how is it possible that small boats have safely crossed every sea in the world since the beginning of time? Its not the boat!
Because Fear is good. Those stickers that say "No Fear" are BS. Fear is what will save you. When you are on a small boat in a big storm, a really big storm, and you have only yourself to depend and no life raft. You should have some fear. Some people buy big boats out of fear of sailing a small boat. But fear is good. That fear will keep you on your toes, and prevent you from making deadly mistakes. The fear will help you fix your sinking boat. Fear is good, it has kept man alive for 1 million years.

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Please be patent with me as I am a bit slow, what does fear have to do with my post or safety and size?
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Please be patent with me as I am a bit slow, what does fear have to do with my post or safety and size?
People generally fear things they preceive being unsafe.
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Good point, in 25 years of sailing I have never considered it to be even remotely unsafe. driving a car FEAR!
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I'm half of that out of shape retired couple with big dreams Paulo references. All our winches are powered and two speed. The Autopilot does 95+% of the driving. First two reefs are single line with low friction set up and third double but all lead to cockpit. Have Dutchman instead of leasurefurl. Boat is 46' and I can pick up all the sails ( I know because I just took them off).
After Cape Dories, Mariners, Tayanas, and PSCs from 24' to my present 46' I believe
1.bigger is better- more comfortable, better sleep and self care so better decisions. It's a joy to take a hot shower in the middle of a passage.
2.If too big when the systems fail you are truly screwed. Mid forties is just about right. All key systems need to run with no electricity. If systems fail they should not put vessel at risk. That's why I don't have a leisure furl or in mast furler.
3.Big= higher hull speed= safety
4. Storm systems should be fool proof which usually means oldtime e.g hanked stormjib, Jordan series drogue etc.
5.Tankage means safety. More fuel more range under power. Mine diesel is in 4 tanks=clean fuel without water regardless. Have 200g of water in 2 tanks=no dependence on watermaker.

You just can't do that stuff in less than mid forty footer. 2 can't run a boat much bigger then that when systems fail. If you live on the thing and you are poorly fed or too hot or too cold or constantly exposed to wind/weather on deck you will be miserable. That's when poor decision are made.

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Bigger does not mean higher hull speed unless you are talking about motoring all the way. Sure a longer water line may mean higher hull speed in ideal conditions. Last time I was long distance cruising we averaged less than 10 knots of wind, rarely were the conditions optimal. Speed does not EVER equate to safety, safety does. On the other hand I cant even imagine what a hot shower on a boat is like. We all find a happy medium out there, you sound like you have found yours. The joy of sailing is the joy of sailing regardless of size
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