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Re: "Free boat" seaworthiness

A sample 'To-Do' list (in no particular order):

Find a (cheap) place to keep her, and get her there in one piece, right-side-up, and afloat.

Clean off mud, bird crap, sea life (flora and fauna), remove same from internal spaces as well.

Remove, inspect, clean/replace, rebed *all* deck hardware & fittings, up to and including chainplates.

Remove & replace *all* wiring and electrical fittings.

Inspect/dry/repair/remove/replace *all* submerged wooden parts, up to & including cores.

Unmount, clean/lube, rebed *all* mechanical devices.

Replace missing hatches, fittings, furniture, compass, radio...

Bring her up to meet at least minimal Coast Guard specs.

Get licenses/registrations/effluvial bureaucratic minutiae covered.

...and then you can start trying to make her look pretty again: paint, varnish, new sails, new rigging...

If you did not already have a working boat (fix that trailer yet? ), I might say take a chance on this one,- but I'm thinking you can do better. Sail your boat, make lists of what you like & what you'd like to change on your next boat.

Be patient.
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Re: "Free boat" seaworthiness

Jack If you keep this thread going much longer people will pay you to let you work on the boat in their living rooms!

There as so many free to nearly free boats out there. Let this one go! Spend some time visiting working boat yards, yacht clubs, hell make some friends while you are at it.
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Re: "Free boat" seaworthiness

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Don't forget that when it sinks again at anchor you'll be liable for recovery costs.
Better attach the slings to it before it sinks again!
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Better attach the slings to it before it sinks again!
A few 55-gal. drums would make good fenders, *and* keep her off the bottom.
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Jack,

Re: Using the lift to inspect the bottom. A good many (most) sailboats are rounded on the bottom, and motor boats are generally straight. The lift, assuming it is set up for a motor boat, probably has straight bunks. If the sailboat has a significant curve in the hull, the straight bunks might over stress a curved hull. My C22 had a fair amount of curve and trailer bunks were "bent" accordingly. I've seen other small sailboats where the bottom was more straight and straight bunks wouldn't be a problem. Not sure what the boat you are looking at has. If you have access to any literature on this boat, you might look to make sure that the hull is relatively flat.

Fixed keel may or may not cause a problem in getting into the lift. That one is easy, either it will or it won't go into the lift.
oh right. hadn't considered that. I don't really have any info one it, other than what is posted here. he says they do have the hatches. that's something. so the lift is out. I will have to check on the lift at the marina I am thinking about, too. glad you chimed in with that thought.
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Is it possible to anchor the boat for a long period of time, until you can afford the marina? Just get an LED anchor light and a small power source.
well, I can squeeze the fee for the one marina out Wednesday. but, what's the legality of that? can you just let a boat at anchor on a public water way, like that?
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Some thoughts/concerns:

How big a weather window do you need to get to the marina?

Do you have someone to be chase in case you need powered help?

A working outboard you can rent/borrow?

Do you have/can you make a good emergency tiller? How quickly?

How's the rudder & post holding up?

Can you trust the rigging to get you there?

Should you take it, is the title there, with a bill-of-gift? Don't want you getting canned for piracy, now do we?

Would thinking of the marina charges as paying the mortgage on your boat make them more palatable?

Hope she works out for you. Good luck!
the marina I would most likely use isn't far. less than 15 minute sail away, actually, going by the map. so, I don't need a long window and it won't be a long sail.

I really don't know anyone with a power boat to follow me, unless he will do it ( which I have been considering asking ) and I know no one with an outboard.

however, it's not a far sail away. an emergency tiller is as easy as a cut off broom handle. that's not a problem. making things is what I do.

the rudder and post are quite functional. they move freely but no rattling and, when you move the tiller back and forth vigorously, it moves the boat...so the rudder does work.

the standing rigging appears sturdy and trustworthy. no corrosion on any of the metal parts of the boat. the shrouds, fore stay, and back stay all seem to have proper tension, too. the deck, under it, is sturdy, too. I trust it as much as anyone can trust anything they didn't build themselves.

there is a title and he said he'd write me an appropriate bill of sale stating the gift nature of the exchange.

it's not palatability of the marina fees that is an issue, it's the viability. but this one marina is not badly priced, they will let me pay monthly for a while, quarterly on a more permanent basis, and they are willing to work with me on making sure I have the facilities I need. I had a really good experience speaking with them
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Does the marina require insurance? Can you get a policy on this boat?
that is a good question. when I explained what is up to the marina on back river, the first thing they said was about having liability insurance.

I explained all of the same things to this marina and they never mentioned it. I forgot to ask. a lot on my mind. but I will have to find that out. as long as I have the HIN, I should be able to get liability.
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Jack, I wish you well no matter what road you choose. I respectfully think taking this boat would be a mistake, but you've seen her and know your abilities, time, and resources better than me.

We looked at a boat that we think was damaged by Hurricane Sandy. She had problems near the keel. When the tide was out, she looked beautiful (Islander 28), except for a line about 6" from the cabin floor. It took a while to realize what was happening - you could see where the water would come in as the tide came in. Basically, she sat on the bottom, and the dock lines and bottom kept her from completely sinking. She was at a private dock, and I was afraid she wouldn't even make the trip to a local marina to have her hauled for inspection. Until we saw the water line, my wife was convinced that this was the boat for us. Once we saw the water mark, we knew it was time to walk away. We STILL talk about that boat, how pretty she was, and what a shame it was to have to let her go. But from what we could piece together, the repair costs were more than the boat was worth.

Anyway...good luck. If you do take her, please start a new thread that shows your progress!
thanks. I definitely will.
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...I explained all of the same things to this marina and they never mentioned it. I forgot to ask.
Ask.
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...as long as I have the HIN, I should be able to get liability.
Verify.

Your insurer may require a survey. Good luck passing one with this boat. Not sure many insurers will want to underwrite liability for a boat that keeps sinking.
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