Heard of laser flare lights? - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree6Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 11-01-2013
GeorgeB's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Alameda, San Francisco Bay
Posts: 1,503
Thanks: 1
Thanked 36 Times in 35 Posts
Rep Power: 10
GeorgeB is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

Earlier this year I attended a safety talk by Coast Guard Group Sector San Francisco (in the wake of the LSC tragedy). One of the things they said was there was a standing order for all aircrews to return immediately for a retinal examination if they spot a laser. A second aircrew will be rounded up and then dispatched to resume the search. They did tell us in no uncertain terms if we didn’t want to see a helo fly away, then don’t signal with a laser flare.
__________________
George B
2000 Catalina 34 MkII
Alameda, Ca.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 11-01-2013
mad_machine's Avatar
Sea Sprite 23 #110 (20)
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Atlantic City, NJ
Posts: 3,160
Thanks: 5
Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts
Rep Power: 2
mad_machine is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

Having been "tagged" more than once with a laser (one of the joys of being a stagehand) I can understand why they want the aircrews back ASAP. Last time I was seeing green for a couple of hours after getting in the corner of my eye
__________________
Art Haberland
__________________

In the end all that matters is how fully you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things that did not belong to you -Buddha

__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 11-04-2013
casey1999's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: HI
Posts: 2,845
Thanks: 4
Thanked 17 Times in 17 Posts
Rep Power: 4
casey1999 is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

I saw this post on Friday, but did not read it.

Interesting because this happened over the week end:

Green laser leads to rescue of Oahu diver lost at sea


Green laser leads to rescue of Oahu diver lost at sea - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

They guy is lucky to be alive, there were rough seas and high winds at that location. In fact, there is a lost kayaker a few miles away- looks like he did not make it:

Rally planned for missing teen - Hawaii News - Honolulu Star-Advertiser
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 11-05-2013
Coquina's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 427
Thanks: 4
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 2
Coquina is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

Speaking as a pilot, the LAST thing I would do if you shine a laser on me is hang around flying low over water. I would be GONE. My son got a green laser for about $8 that is freaking BRIGHT. On a clear night I can see a very visible green line. You can shine that NEAR an airplane maybe, but please NEVER shine it right on the plane.
Brent Swain likes this.
__________________
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 11-05-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 302
Thanks: 7
Thanked 19 Times in 18 Posts
Rep Power: 3
Shinook is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mad_machine View Post
exactly.. in am emergancy situation, you can flash anything you want at a passing airplane to get their attention. It is perfectly legal.
You shouldn't do that, I don't care what the circumstances are. It's unlikely to have you found by anyone because you would essentially be blinding everyone in the cockpit, which not only means they won't see you, you actually endanger the safety of the flight. This is extremely dangerous, which is why being caught doing it carries such a significant penalty.

When you flash a laser pointer at an airplane (it doesn't have to be an airliner), the laser spreads through the glass into the cockpit, the effect is very disorienting and dangerous to the safety of the flight.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 11-05-2013
Coquina's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Maryland
Posts: 427
Thanks: 4
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 2
Coquina is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

Kind of like how 3 gunshots are a distress signal but it is still bad to shoot 3 holes in the person you are trying to get help from
Brent Swain and Shinook like this.
__________________
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 11-05-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Norway
Posts: 685
Thanks: 6
Thanked 50 Times in 45 Posts
Rep Power: 9
knuterikt is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeB View Post
Earlier this year I attended a safety talk by Coast Guard Group Sector San Francisco (in the wake of the LSC tragedy). One of the things they said was there was a standing order for all aircrews to return immediately for a retinal examination if they spot a laser. A second aircrew will be rounded up and then dispatched to resume the search. They did tell us in no uncertain terms if we didn’t want to see a helo fly away, then don’t signal with a laser flare.
But there must be a difference between a laser pointer and a rescue laser?
from How Do You Use a Rescue Laser Flare® ? | Greatland Laser
Quote:
In February 2012, the United States Congress passed into law HR658 authorizing appropriations for the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for fiscal years 2011 through 2014.

Included in the law is Section 311 "Prohibition Against Aiming a Laser Pointer at an Aircraft". Section 311 39A(c)(3) on page 56 specifically exempts "an individual using a laser emergency signaling devices to send an emergency distress signal."

Greatland Laser has sold its patented laser emergency signaling devices throughout the world for over 10 years. We have never had a safety issue with the products. Under the exception provided in this federal law, Rescue Lasers are legal to signal an aircraft for help in an emergency.

For an explanation as to why the Rescue Lasers are safe when a standard laser pointer can cause problems, please refer to "How Do They Work".
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 11-05-2013
paulk's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: CT/ Long Island Sound
Posts: 2,533
Thanks: 4
Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts
Rep Power: 15
paulk is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

This makes it sound legal and more official. Anything further on USCG approval (or SOLAS?) since Feb 2012? At about $100 each, and lasting well over the 3 years any pyrotechnic seems to be good for, they seem like cheap insurance. Any other instances of their being used?
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 11-06-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Norway
Posts: 685
Thanks: 6
Thanked 50 Times in 45 Posts
Rep Power: 9
knuterikt is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

In UK The Royal Yachting Association (RYA) have published this
RYA pressing for change in carriage requirement for flares | News | News & Events | RYA

Quote:
The RYA is pressing the MCA (Maritime & Coastguard Agency) to review the carriage requirement for pyrotechnic flares and to recognise the modern technologies that are now available for distress alerting and locating.

“In today’s modern age there is no compelling case to support the mandatory requirement of flares as a practical and useful method of initiating a distress alert and location” Stuart Carruthers RYA Cruising Manager.
rikhall likes this.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
The Following User Says Thank You to knuterikt For This Useful Post:
rikhall (11-07-2013)
  #20  
Old 11-07-2013
lillia28's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Central New Jersey, sailing on the Navesink River and Sandy Hook Bay mostly.
Posts: 110
Thanks: 3
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 4
lillia28 is on a distinguished road
Re: Heard of laser flare lights?

I was at a safety at sea seminar last year. During one of the meetings a CG swimmer said the laser flares, especially the green ones, because of the night vision goggles, were very visible. The human eye is attracted to motion, so moving the laser would seem to be the ticket. Perhaps the CG has not issued official guidance to SAR crews.
Lasering aircraft is actually a huge problem, hundreds of cases every year. Those are usually high powered laser pointers, held on the cockpit of an aircraft, most frequently a hovering helo or aircraft on final. I tend to believe that a SAR crew on a mission would be able to tell the difference between a laser waved by a mariner in distress and a laser being used maliciously to "light up" an aircraft. I was peripherally involved in investigating laser incidents a few years ago. In all of the incidents I know of, the evil doer was on land, near a hovering helicopter (usually police or traffic), or on the approach path to an airport. The laser was maintained on the cockpit for a fair amount of time, not waved. The only "at sea" incident I ever heard of involved an infrared laser, a Russian "trawler" and a Navy sigint aircraft. I have been out of that loop for several years, but it's hard to believe the two scenarios could be confused.
Lou
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
All's Flare! flyingwelshman General Discussion (sailing related) 22 09-07-2012 06:54 AM
Flare Up! Oct 15 New Rochelle NY jjablonowski Gear & Maintenance 3 09-19-2011 05:05 PM
Identification Lights & Nav Lights on Sailing Vessels Boasun General Discussion (sailing related) 10 02-13-2009 09:42 AM
Flare Off NewsReader Mass Bay Sailors 0 03-10-2007 01:15 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:29 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.