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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

I'm in Maryland. Have a beautiful Tartan 37 which I cannot live aboard here in two adjoining counties (Talbot and Dorchester) because it is illegal to live aboard. You are the reason. People with no clue buying a boat to live on because they think it's a free way to live. No it isn't, not if you are going to keep a boat seaworthy. And if not seaworthy, as others stated, your boat isn't in a vacuum. If your rode breaks (and I somehow don't have confidence in your anchoring ability) and you damage other boats or the boat sinks you'll be in deep dodo. Here ya go....buy a cheap camper and park it in Walmart parking lots...it's free and you can use the restroom to take sponge baths...
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

To the OP:

[EDIT: I just noticed that SF pointed you to the same thread... Great minds...

More of the same EDIT: The primary issue is not that we're concerned that Marinas will miss your money, nor that you would potentially loose you $300 POS. But, that you if you loose the vessel and walk away (and from what I have read, I am guessing that you would), you would be contributing to further restrictions on the rest of us.]

Some time ago there was a poster here who owned a '72 Pearson 35 in South Carolina, and spent some time fixing it up. I think that the vessel was given to him by his family, but I am not sure. Members here were eager to help the kid, as he seemed grateful for advise, and he put some of it to use.



At one point he posted a thread asking about how to make a mooring out of 500lbs of scrap lead, and was advised, repeatedly, to spend the money, and get a real mooring. Unfortunately, this is one post where he did not heed the advise given him.

A couple of months later, he posted that he had been anchored out in this "nice little creek where I figured that the boat was nice and safe," when a squall blew him ashore, and sank his boat. The boat had been anchored there for over 2 months, and was uninsured.



He initially tried to salvage the vessel, and received many offers for help, and much advise from the SailNet community. However, all of his attempts were unsuccessful, as the boat had filled with silt. Eventually, he simply walked away from the vessel.



Owners who do this make life more difficult for the rest of us, because it causes navigation hazards, and prompts communities to pass restrictions on anchoring. What started out as a sympathetic community, turned into a hazing of the kid, and he never returned to SailNet.

The members here would simply like to avoid having you repeat the story of S/V Distant Star.

You can read about it here; Well my day really sucked.
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

Why on earth would anyone want to own such a pos anyway ? really, just so you could tell someone you own a sailboat? if you aren't going to us it for a few years just wait a few years to buy one there will still be $300.00 pieces of s--- then. Or maybe you could buy a derelict and haul it off to uncle Bubba's farm for a year or two....three birds, one stone. You own a sail boat,(bragging rights included) you don't have to pay the fascist marina owners (inherently evil) and you get one more pos out of the water....win, win, win !
I guess I can't understand why someone would want to take on the liability.
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

We do have people doing exactly this in Maryland. You get a nasty POS taking up space and either sinking or breaking loose. Either way it is a danger to the rest of us and the "owners" are never good for the damages. Weems Creek has a few floating wrecks following this game plan. One $300 sailor ended up on the Naval Academy seawall afer Isabel and - oopsie - had no insurance or way to remove the boat. I knew people after the storm trying to chase down the owners of various POS boats that were in their yards or sometimes partly in their house!
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

fryewe and Stumble,

Thanks for the replies. It's the kind of information that I was wondering about. I enjoy thinking about a lot of things out of curiosity. I saw some videos on the Internet of boats in hurricanes and I wondered what kind of mooring arrangement they had. That was the basis for the unprotected waters question.

A mooring that must hold the displacement of the boat to handle a hurricane in unprotected waters is quite a lot!
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

Deadweight anchors are terrible, and concrete just isn't that much heavier than water, so you need a lot. Making it out of steel would help substantially in reducing the necessary weight, but would significantly increase cost.
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

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fryewe and Stumble,

Thanks for the replies. It's the kind of information that I was wondering about. I enjoy thinking about a lot of things out of curiosity. I saw some videos on the Internet of boats in hurricanes and I wondered what kind of mooring arrangement they had. That was the basis for the unprotected waters question.

A mooring that must hold the displacement of the boat to handle a hurricane in unprotected waters is quite a lot!
Just out of curiosity, do you or have you ever owned or operated a boat? You sound like you know absolutely nothing about boats and even though you apparently monitor at least this one forum, you seem not to have absorbed any of the information available. You could not possibly have missed the multitude of anchoring, mooring and regulations threads regarding those things over the last few years, could you?
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Another thing to consider for mooring a boat for any length of time, even just a few days, is how do you get off the boat? You have to land your dinghy somewhere without getting popped for trespassing.
Where I moor my boat is a designated anchorage, anyone can anchor there for free, but you can't land your dinghy without paying the City their seasonal mooring fee (which is cheap at $475 a year and they own and maintain the moorings and facilities).
Btw thats Muskegon, Mich on the east shore of Lake Michigan.
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

What will you do in the winter in central Illinois, assuming the rhode doesn't fail before the first cold snap?

Where will you get clean water?
How will you deal with your sewage?
How and where will you get ashore?


What will you do with this worthless liability when you inevitably give up?
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Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters

Lol cut this guy a break. 3 years ago my first post were about taking a sailboat through the panama canal on a cargo ship so we all start somewhere.

Its funny to read the first page however haha. You have a steep learning curve my friend.

Get a sunfish for a few hundo and trailer it until you learn a bit more about sailing. And no anchoring in unprotected waters is NEVER a GOOD idea. Its only done as last resort.
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