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steel 11-02-2013 10:34 PM

Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
I've been wondering about keeping a boat anchored for several months, and not paying a marina. Is it possible? I guess it depends on the circumstances, and that's what the rest of this is about.

I've heard that certain places, such as populated places like California have time restrictions on anchoring. I understand that, but as far as I know most other places don't.

If you're not in an anchorage, you're supposed to have an anchor light. That can be done with a battery and solar panel, so that's no problem.

Then there's the weather. My assumption is that if the boat can be sailed in rough waters, that it can also be anchored in the same conditions with a proper anchor setup. Is there any chance that this could work in larger unprotected waters? It's amazing how small anchors are compared to the sizes of boats that they are used on. Making a bigger or better one would not be hard at all. Waves must get worse as the water gets shallower, but a long line isn't very expensive and a homemade mooring isn't hard to make.

Here in the Illinois river or Peoria Lake as they call part of it, there are some very wide areas that are far from the channel. I've seen a few pontoon boats beached in front of some people's houses, but nothing anchored out. Why don't people do it?

If I bought some $300 piece of junk boat, couldn't I keep it anchored, and if something happened, it really wouldn't be much of a loss.

capttb 11-02-2013 10:42 PM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
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If I bought some $300 piece of junk boat, couldn't I keep it anchored, and if something happened, it really wouldn't be much of a loss.
Someone may expect YOU to remove it when it washes up on their front lawn.

BubbleheadMd 11-02-2013 10:57 PM

How long have you been here? Have you read anything on this forum?

steel 11-02-2013 11:55 PM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
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Originally Posted by BubbleheadMd (Post 1113933)
How long have you been here? Have you read anything on this forum?

Yes ... there is a strong attitude against anyone trying to do things a different way to cut costs. Everyone is expected to have safety equipment which is only considered necessary in 1st world countries where it can be afforded, and everyone is expected to have a proper marina or mooring and be insured, even though it is not required by law.

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Someone may expect YOU to remove it when it washes up on their front lawn.
If it is properly secured that would never happen. What could happen is it would sink. If the mast was down and it sank in deep water, it would just join the many other pieces of junk on the sea floor. Nobody would ever know that anything happened. People spend more time being upset about about some harmless non oil polluting wreck than they did about Deepwater Horizon.

boatpoker 11-03-2013 12:07 AM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
This is the kind of thinking that give cruisers a bad name, suggest you take up another hobby.

manatee 11-03-2013 12:34 AM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
Why would you want to stay so long in one place? A boat is to GO with.

Stumble 11-03-2013 12:53 AM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
So long as it is legal to anchor long term where you choose, yes you can do so. Should your boat sink you are legally required to have it floated and hauled out. As well as pay the fines for any damage done, and the environmental fines for any pollution or sewage that is released. Should it wash ashore you are responsible for removal and any damage that occurs, including any cost for environmental fines.

Geoff54 11-03-2013 01:34 AM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
If we ignore for the moment, whether it's legal, responsible, reasonable or desirable, let's just look at the practicality.

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Originally Posted by steel (Post 1113927)
It's amazing how small anchors are compared to the sizes of boats that they are used on. Making a bigger or better one would not be hard at all. Waves must get worse as the water gets shallower, but a long line isn't very expensive and a homemade mooring isn't hard to make.

I can only assume that you don't know much about anchors or moorings. BTW, it's unclear which you are proposing - If it's really a mooring, how are you going to set it in place?

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Originally Posted by steel (Post 1113951)
If it is properly secured that would never happen.

Really? I can only assume that you don't know much about anchors or moorings.

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Originally Posted by steel (Post 1113951)
What could happen is it would sink. If the mast was down and it sank in deep water, it would just join the many other pieces of junk on the sea floor. Nobody would ever know that anything happened.

You can see the contradiction between water shallow enough to anchor and deep enough to sink without a trace, right?

Could you do it? Maybe.
Is it safe or practical? Under the scenario you describe, those two are probably mutually exclusive.

BubbleheadMd 11-03-2013 06:58 AM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
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Originally Posted by manatee (Post 1113959)
Why would you want to stay so long in one place? A boat is to GO with.

Because he's a BUM. He's not looking to "go" anywhere, he's looking to anchor his POS $300 "home" somewhere, so that he can beat the cost of land-based rent and taxes.

As I often say, I am a huge advocate of saving abandoned sailboats that are still in useful condition, often to the point that a lot of people think I take things too far. Then, someone like this guy comes along and completely exceeds even my tolerance for buying junk boats and acting (or proposing) totally irresponsible behavior.

I love the line "that would never happen".
Steel, just because the boat is "out of sight", doesn't mean that it's not an environmental hazard down at the bottom of the river. It also doesn't mean that you are not legally responsible for cleaning up your trash.

People like this: CNN Hero are cleaning up after people like you.

You asked why people don't do this-
Because it's impractical, unsafe, and irresponsible. Does that answer your question?

Get a clue, mate or take up golf.

PCP 11-03-2013 08:57 AM

Re: Anchoring for long term or in unprotected waters
 
I anchor a lot, almost always when I cruise and sometimes I anchor in settled weather on relatively unprotected waters. It can be done on one condition: To set sail immediately out of there at the first sign of stronger weather coming, no matter the hour of the day or the night.

It is not obviously what you are talking about. Even on protected waters there are not many places where a boat can be safely on anchor all year around, no matter the weather.


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