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It's a boat, it floats. BUT, comparing it to a solid ocean going sailboat with a keel that can handle a 15' sea for long periods is not going to happen. I cannot imagine what would happen to one of these lightweight graphite wonders in any kind of seaway. ALL the videos, AC and otherwise, are shot under VERY benign, protected wave conditions. I have little doubt these fragile looking things would fall apart pretty quickly in a big sea.
I've been sailing off and on for about half of my life. Lasers, Flying Dutchman, a couple of a catamarans, lake scows, a day sailor, and even a few sunfish. Oh and a couple of keel boats. Maybe one would be suited for any kind of ocean passage and that would be a stretch. It's still sailing.

I'm not trying to brag at all. I'm sure I've got a lot fewer hours at the tiller (or wheel) than most of you. I'm just pointing out that there are lots of sailboats that wouldn't exactly be at home on the open seas. It doesn't mean they aren't sailboats.

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Re: But really, is it sailing, or?

If my vessel moves below the water's surface...it's a sub, on the surface a boat, in the air an airplane and beyond a spaceship. Seems to me that this "boat" is more in the air than on the water. But the termonology says ships and boats can move in any media be it a u-boat, an air ship or a spaceship....beem me up Scotty.
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Fortunately, sailing technology will continue to advance despite the protestations of the luddites in the room.
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Re: But really, is it sailing, or?

Don't get me wrong. I think these boats are the coolest thing since (fill in the blank). The thing I can't picture them doing at present, is running down the face of a big wave or for that fact, beating into big waves. Given their great speed, pitchpoling is a major danger with any of these designs. The slightest miscalculation, the bow digs in and over they go in a heartbeat. What you don't see... YET is these designs punching through a big swell. Improvements will undoubtedly be forthcoming as the design of the hydrofoils evolves. For now though, a strategy that depends 100% on outrunning bad weather is not a viable strategy for ocean cruising.

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... I cannot imagine what would happen to one of these lightweight graphite wonders in any kind of seaway. ALL the videos, AC and otherwise, are shot under VERY benign, protected wave conditions. I have little doubt these fragile looking things would fall apart pretty quickly in a big sea.
If you look at the video presentation you can see that it is not sailing on "very benign protected waters" as you say. In fact this is an offshore boat. Yes it is not designed to take heavy seas but it is not a boat designed with protected waters in mind also.

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20/05/2013 - L'Hydroptere, le souffle d'un rêve por Voilesnews

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Re: But really, is it sailing, or?

and then there is this, which is NOT sailing, but it is not an aircraft either;





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If you look at the video presentation you can see that it is not sailing on "very benign protected waters" as you say. In fact this is an offshore boat. Yes it is not designed to take heavy seas but it is not a boat designed with protected waters in mind also.

The story of the boat on the movie:


20/05/2013 - L'Hydroptere, le souffle d'un rêve por Voilesnews

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Seems to be something wrong with the video. Would like to see it but am getting an error message:"An error occured: DM is not defined at undefined line undefined"

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Seems to be something wrong with the video. Would like to see it but am getting an error message:"An error occured: DM is not defined at undefined line undefined"
Works fine for me. There could be some blockings. Video can be seen at
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10...=72]20/05/2013 - L'Hydroptere, le souffle d'un rêve - Vidéo Dailymotion

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and also youtube (search for it).

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Re: But really, is it sailing, or?

I have watched a few videos of the Hydroptere. One of them ends with the boat inverted. Wish I could remember which one.

Anyway - that certainly does not make it "not sailing", eh?

Of course, it's sailing! It's a watercraft that is propelled by the use of sails. What other definition is there?
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Re: But really, is it sailing, or?

Got it to work. Again, it's fairly flat water. There are surface waves but no swell, maybe a 3' sea. I would like to see one of these sail in the common condition of a long period 10' or so swell, where you're in the trough and can't see around you, then you're running atop the next wave, ready to drop down again.

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