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northoceanbeach 11-16-2013 10:28 PM

Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
I was in Orange County yesterday. I like California I always have. I know it's not the same place I first fell in love with, and it's quite the fashion for those who don't live there to wish it would fall into the ocean, but that's not the point. The point is I am researching plans for next year. I was wondering if anyone can give me some advice on buying a mooring or slip. With the intention of living aboard.

I started my research in Orange County. Newport Beach. They have 450 moorings owned by the city but leased for life to individuals. Those individuals can them sell them to others. Then you have to get a liveaboard permit. I'm not sure how hard that is. But think how good it could be to own your own boat and slip in Newport Beach! It looks like they go for about $25k. It seems expensive at first, but if you were to liveaboard at a marina it will cost 600-800 anyways so the mooring would pay for itself after a while.

Or Santa Barbara does something similar with slips. It's hard to get a slip but you can own the lease and sell a boat with it. Santa Barbara has liveaboard permits, and they have a limit. But what I could find out was they have only given out about half available. I'm thinking it is because the slips are so expensive. I saw a Catalina 30 with slip for $50,000.

Does anyone have any firsthand knowledge of how this could work out in real life? I would want to be damn sure I had a liveaboard permit or could get one.

Is this a dream that could be made reality or is the red tape involved too hard.

I'm open to other suggestions as well. San Diego has a cheap mooring field that you rent....

GMFL 11-16-2013 11:22 PM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
Moorings in Newport use to sell for about $1000/ft two or so years ago. Prices have dropped to less than $500/ft now. That's been due to a change in the way you can transfer a mooring. The city put a time limit,10 years or three transfers within ten years, at which time the only way to transfer the mooring would be to return it to the city and they would issue to someone. No more private transfers. I believe there are 7 or so years left till that takes.

There are also monthly maintenance fees and a bi-yearly inspection needed. For a 40' mooring that runs about $200/mo. I believe (up from about $50 when they changed the law for above).

There are live a board permits and they are issued depending on the location and number of live a boards in the mooring field. They do charge a fee and require you to keep logs of tank pump outs. I'm guessing that's standard.

For more (accurate?) info, call the Newport Harbor Patrol. They are really helpful despite being run by the OC Sheriffs.

Look on Craigslist or The Log newspaper for ads.

northoceanbeach 11-17-2013 02:07 AM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
500 a ft. So you don't say "I've got a 30 foot boat". You buy the lease to a 45 foot mooring. So they are around $25,000?

How risky is it? Say you bought one. Can the harbor take it back because thy don't like you and you are left with nothing?

Do you think it is hard to get the liveaboard permit? I have to call harbor resources to get that info, but a lot of time it's better to get the lowdown from locals like yourself. Do you see any liveaboards out there? I would be the low key, quiet type with a nice boat I actively sail weekly. Not just a floating home.

It just sounds like it could be so great. Living in Newport Beach, taking trips to baja and Catalina. Up to Santa Barbara. Taking my dinghy out to the avenues to surf or bodyboarding the wedge. After the initial payment for the boat and mooring. Loving for the couple hundred a month would be a great life.

I cruised a bit last summer. Sometimes I stayed in a marina and sometimes I anchored. But when I got a mooring ball in friday harbor,
That was the way to live. It's far enough away that your neighbors aren't right next to you. A nice level of privacy. But without the worry about leaving it at anchor while you go to shore if its windy.

xymotic 11-17-2013 03:24 AM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
where do you think you are going to park a car and/or store your dinghy while on land? I think that could get VERY expensive, very fast in newport beach.

Also, the habor department people are just total dicks I'd look anywhere BUT newport/dana point (same sherrif dept)

GMFL 11-17-2013 11:53 AM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by northoceanbeach (Post 1128882)
500 a ft. So you don't say "I've got a 30 foot boat". You buy the lease to a 45 foot mooring. So they are around $25,000?

Moorings, I believe, are 35, 40, 45, 50, 60 feet and up. I saw a 40' mooring last summer sell for $10k.

Currently they are listed for sale from $15 - $25k depending on the location. ($500/ft for a 40' mooring would be $20k right).

I'm sure all the prices are negotiable. Some have boats on them, some don't. Every situation is different. There are moorings that people have owned for 40+ years and have just kept them in the family. So for "losing" a mooring, unless your boats is a hazard or you have frequent loud parties on it, I don't think you are in danger of losing it. BTW, there are PLENTY of moorings with POS's hanging on them. Although a shame, not illegal to neglect maintenance in Newport. Having said that, they are owned by the City, so prices can rise or things can change.

For a liveabord permit: I don't believe it is hard as long as the location is not too crowed or too close to homes. For instance my can is on the north side of Balboa Island. There are only two cans to a row and they are comparitively close to homes. I don't think that there are liveaboards near me. However a few hundred feet up the channel, it widens to three cans per row and is next to a small marina, I believe there are liveaboards there.

Newport has several mooring fields. Field H and J are large fields with 10 or 12 per row and they have a lot of liveaboards there. It is also where many marine companies keep their work boats. Mooring fields B. D and G are smaller 2-3 per row fields and closer to homes, not many liveaboards. Mooring field A is a large field and is closer to the harbor entrance and has more liveaboards. Not as desirable an area though (for me at least).

The harbor really does have something for everyone. If I were to liveaboard, I would look at H field. Currently, I've seen moorings for sale in the $15 -$18k range. Not too bad considering a 40' slip would run you about $1100/mo. H field is next to the American Legion, which I'm a member of, and they have a yacht club you can join if you are a member of the Legion. There is a pump out station there as well as a courtesy dock. But that's me, you might have other needs.

Check out Google Earth, you can get a pretty good feel for the area that way.

barefootnavigator 11-17-2013 12:07 PM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
Newport is a **** hole, of all the places I wouldn't keep my boat in so cal Newport is just about the top of the list. :)

GMFL 11-17-2013 12:08 PM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xymotic (Post 1128914)
where do you think you are going to park a car and/or store your dinghy while on land? I think that could get VERY expensive, very fast in newport beach.

Also, the habor department people are just total dicks I'd look anywhere BUT newport/dana point (same sherrif dept)

BTW, this is a typical response from someone who really doesn't know much about the city.

Newport just expanded/renovated all of it's public docks and added a new one. Dingy tie ups are allowed for up to 24 hours at all of them, and I believe, there is a 72 hour limit on a couple of them. Some are used more than others so you may have to do an initial hunt for a regular dock to use, but it shouldn't be too hard. The last few times I've tied up overnight, I was the only boat there. It is November though.

Parking in Newport isn't bad either, if you're in the know. If you are at H field, you would be parking on the peninsula. A yearly pass for MOST meters in the city is $100. You wouldn't want to move your car on a busy weekend though. For other fields, parking would be free, you just need to move for the street sweeper.

As for the Harbor Patrol, they are Sheriffs. Their job is to be a dick to people, not a job I would like. Having said that, I've had mostly good experience with the Harbor Patrol office people. Never had to deal with the guys on the boats but I always wave as I pass them and they do the same.

I've heard stories about the harbor patrol but it's always about a "friend's brother from Irvine" who had the issues with them.

Just sayin'. YMMV.

GMFL 11-17-2013 12:27 PM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
Oh, one more thing.

You can rent a mooring from the city on a daily or weekly basis. This time a year it's $16/day I think. It goes up to $26/day during the busy months. This is cruising season so a lot of moorings are empty. You could rent at a couple of different areas to see which is best. I'm guessing you could liveaboard while doing so as long as you don't draw attention to yourself and move every couple of weeks to a new mooring.

Just an idea.

Markwesti 11-17-2013 12:53 PM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
Don't forget moorings in Catalina . There is a waiting list for a leased one . But you can buy one out right in Avalon . If I were you I'd just get out here, get the boat you want rent for a while then decide .

rgscpat 11-17-2013 12:57 PM

Re: Buying a mooring or slip in California.
 
If the original poster has any sort of military connections there might be a few more options. For example, military can rent moorings in southern San Diego bay. And someone whose parent was military could be eligible to join the American Legion as a "son of the American Legion".


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