This is just silly. Why is it totally black and white, with no shades of gray? GOD STATUS? FLAWLESS? What the hell does this mean? A professional surveyor who has looked at hundreds or thousands of boats is going to have an awful lot of valuable knowledge. And no matter how much you think you know, he is going to know more than you, and you would benefit from that. Why is it so threatening to you to accept that a guy who does boat inspections for a living is going to know more about boats than you do?
I'm beginning to think that you don't want to hire a surveyor because you're afraid what he might tell you about your boat. You do seem to go into a rant every time someone tells you something that isn't 100% in alignment with your thinking.
Impossible? Nobody is saying that, you're just trying to mock what we're saying. It won't be impossible without a survey, but you will probably get it done more efficiently (fixing things in the proper order) and with less cost after having a survey. Getting the survey earlier will allow you to prioritize better. You'll also be able to shop around for lower premiums on insurance, so those savings will pay over and over again. The survey will probably pay for itself, which is why so many people get them.
Why do you compare our advice to something so ridiculous? Nobody is telling you anything like this. You're acting rather immature. Someone suggests a survey would be a good investment, and you throw a hissy fit claiming that we're calling you incompetent, or playing the class card with "haves" and "have nots."
Another exaggeration. Nobody that I recall has told you that you have no business owning a boat because of lack of money. I'm beginning to wonder if lack of listening skills is an issue, though.
I think the major point is that you think you're doing things in a way that will save you money, but some people who have done this before are seeing red flags in your approach that will cost you a lot more money and perhaps suck you dry down the road.
ok. first, you should go back through this thread. there was a post that set off this entire ridiculous discussion. that post asked, in a divisive manner, why anyone who thinks $300 is a lot of money would even contemplate owning a free boat. now, that has nothing to do with a survey, but rather my financial situation and it is, despite your protestation, stating i have no business owning a boat because i don't have money. and it's not the first post, like that, i ave received in one of my threads. i post a thread asking opinions or advice on a course of action and the inute i relate that money is an issue, i get a similar statement. look through the free boat thread. it's there too. so, that started my original rant and it also initiated the conversation about the haves and have nots.
also, i am not threatened by a surveyor. i have stated that it is a financial expenditure that i do not see the necessity of, if i can get insurance another way. period. i am fine with folks advising me to get one. advice duly noted.
the discussion's nature changed as soon as i responded to the above mentioned post. each new urge towards a survey, as part of a response to the haves and not haves comments, has been more certain it just can't be done without a surveyor.
so, i was just pointing out that surveyors are humans. they arte not perfect. a survey is not a guarantee there will not be an isue missed. and a person can do this without a survey. i then listed my backgrounbd as reassurance that i have the ablity to do this, which seems to be generally doubted. why i felt the need to justyify my decisions, i have no idea. perhaps it's human nature.
if you take note, my 'rants' are always in response to a post by someone offended by the haves/have nots argument...someone who is asserting that you must have a surveyor or certain doom is guaranteed. i don't care if you disagree with me. i do not respond well to people telling me i can't do something. i have spent a lifetime doing things people assured me i couldn't do. after a while, you get sick of hearing people tell ypu that you can't do stuff.
for the record, this post had nothing to do with haves or have nots. it had nothing to do with the validity of getting a survey. it was not about trying to avoid gettng insurance. this post was about one thing and one thing only; trying to find a way to insure the boat, for a reasonable amount, without expending the extra $300, now. i was looking for ideas; possibly insurance companies that people new didn't require a survey or maybe a surveyor recommendation that someone knew was less expensive.
i am fine with people recommending a survey. i heard the recommendation several times. i acknowledged that suggestion but stated that i was looking to take a different course and that, being fully aware of the issues, i did not feel that the survey was a necessary expense, right now, if i could avoid it.
that should have been enough. advice given. advice heard and acknowledged. but, after the haves/have nots conversation, there has been a repeated attempt, as part of an opposition to the idea that there was a tendency in the saling world towards exclusion on the basis of financial ability, to beat the absolute necessity of a survey into my head.
i made the mistake and allowed myself to be drawn into this stupid discussion. i don't really care if there are people that think anyone without financial reserves has no place owning a boat. there are always people that wish to exclude on a basis of status or wealth. i don't care if no one on this whole bloody planet thinks i have the ability to do this. i have spent a lifetime walking my road with the condemnation of those who had no faith in me. and what always astounds me is that the people who spend their time trying to get me to doubt myself always say they are doing it for my own good.
i am not deaf. advice and warnings given once are enough, and appreciated as having good intent. if you proceed to try to beat your doubts into my head, after i tell you that i have decided a different path, you aren't going to beat me into submitting to your will.
i don't ask people's advice or request information because i am looking for a master to lay my path out for me. i do so, seeking information that i can consider as a part of the process of coming up with my own decision.
now, i thank all of the posters who tried to help me. you guys have given me solid options and ideas. i also thank those who warned caution because they didn't want me to engage the situation blindly. i am not, in any way, trying to lessen the help of these people. but i do not need to be told i MUST take a certain course and i really don't need to be told i have no business even contemplating boat ownership if i don't have a massd of money to draw on.
you are right about one thing, i have been reacting immaturely. i should have resisted the impulse to respond to the post that set this off. that was immature. and i should have ignored all of the rest of the posts, or parts of posts, that kept this silly, off topic discussion going.
until i started posting here, spurred on by that free boat, i had stopped taking part in blogs becauser of this very thing. it doesn't matter what you are posting about, nearly every thread on every blog ends up in a useless, time consuming, off topic debate. if you are going to communicate in blogs, it's hard to keep from being drawn into them.