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Re: US Citizens urged to support FCC RM-11708

Dave- I added a comment in support of your opinion. It took a second. Your argument is quite compelling.
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Re: US Citizens urged to support FCC RM-11708

Dave:
Like many others I can not support this technology unless and until SCS is required to license their technology at a reasonable rate and Pactor 4 modems become $30 like every other modem in the world. I have already had to drop $1200 for their Pactor 3 modem, I have no desire to do it again.
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Re: US Citizens urged to support FCC RM-11708

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Like many others I can not support this technology unless and until SCS is required to license their technology at a reasonable rate and Pactor 4 modems become $30 like every other modem in the world. I have already had to drop $1200 for their Pactor 3 modem, I have no desire to do it again.
No need to apologize Roger. You are entitled to your opinion.

Here is mine.

Phone modems are cheap because the market is huge and economies of scale kick in.

SCS took a risk and their investors covered a lot of costs for a long time to develop technology from which we benefit. The market for radio modems is pretty small. Don't they deserve to recover their costs and some margin for their risk?

It is worth reflecting on the fact that SCS has made sure that all their products are backwards compatible so P1, P2, and P3 are all supported by the newest hardware. You don't HAVE to replace your existing P3 modem. It will continue to work with Winlink and Sailmail. How does the opportunity for others to move more data faster in the same bandwidth hurt you at all? I'd argue it HELPS you because those that choose to buy P4 modems will get their traffic through more quickly and give you more access.

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Re: US Citizens urged to support FCC RM-11708

I have no problem with faster modems, etc, that's a good thing.

I don't think amateurs would have a problem with the mail programs if users were better operators. The problems happen because people tap on the button to "get their email" without even checking the frequency to see if anybody else is using it, as if it were the same as having a high speed internet connection back at home. Some of these users end up "checking email" many times a day, over and over, stomping on other people's conversations, etc, it's no wonder that other amateur users get angry about it. You have to wonder if a lot of the people "checking their email" even know that there are other people using the frequencies, if they even listen to the band to see if it is clear, or have any idea that they are being so rude to others.

If people were using the mail systems because they are amateur radio operators first, using the Pactor modems and email system as an interesting mode, that would be one thing. But now there are a pile of people who don't give a rat's ass about amateur radio who get their license just to have "free email", and that's the problem. It isn't the fact that they are using it for email, it's that they don't care about the things that the other users on the amateur bands care about such as sharing frequencies and being good operators. It's like a pile of people crashed an astronomy convention for the free food.
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It is worth reflecting on the fact that SCS has made sure that all their products are backwards compatible so P1, P2, and P3 are all supported by the newest hardware. You don't HAVE to replace your existing P3 modem. It will continue to work with Winlink and Sailmail. How does the opportunity for others to move more data faster in the same bandwidth hurt you at all? I'd argue it HELPS you because those that choose to buy P4 modems will get their traffic through more quickly and give you more access.

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Re: US Citizens urged to support FCC RM-11708

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But now there are a pile of people who don't give a rat's ass about amateur radio who get their license just to have "free email"...
I understand your point, and there's a part of me that agrees. But then there's another part of me that says, everyone of us who has ever gotten into amateur radio did so--at least at first--for some specific reason of our own. Whether it was to learn about electronics, or for a specific communication desire, or whatever else, we all start out with our own reason, and probably don't "give a rat's ass" about any of the other stuff that some amateurs think is the most important part of being a ham. In that sense, this new "pile of people" really isn't any different from every other ham out there.

I think a lot of those people crashing the astronomy convention, after getting their free food, will take a look around and realize that something kind of cool is going on.
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Re: US Citizens urged to support FCC RM-11708

Like with so many other things as one's embarks on the learning curve to be a competent cruiser I didn't know a "rat's ass" about ssb. I wanted it not for email but for weather and another backup to the epirb.
I think it is the obligation of who ever teaches you how to use the d-mn thing the proper etiquette. I'm learning from a ham who is in the next slip and various experienced cruisers. I was taught best way to learn is
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If the seeing and doing is under the supervision of a good operator you will be a polite good operator.
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Re: US Citizens urged to support FCC RM-11708

I may have already made this point.

In my opinion the maritime nets on ham HF frequencies are better than those on the marine HF frequencies. My observation is that some cruisers, full- or part-time, put up huge antennas and have really good equipment. Those are the folks with booming signals that tie the nets together.

Check out the Waterway Net on 7268 kHz LSB at 0745 US ET or 14300 kHz USB 24/7.
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