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My fridge is about beer and wine, not food
The higher a priority you give booze, the less likely you will be to be able to cruise on less than $500 a month. Cruising on less than $500 a month is no problem; cruising on less than $500 a month, while making booze a high priority, is not. Add the cost of running , buying and maintaining refrigeration to the cost of booze, and you have one very significant expense. Stop drinking, and you may find, as I have, that the added cruising time ,and the reduction in working time to pay for it , gives far greater enjoyment than simply dulling the senses with alcohol ever gave you.
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If I did peltier, I'd put one going to the fridge. Then I'd put one between the fridge and the freezer. So the freezer's peltier "pushes off" the fridge temperature and the fridge's peltier "pushes off" the outside temperature (water or whatever).

But it would have to be something active like your antifreeze flow, so there's 100% insulation everywhere.

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And if I ever commission a boat to be built for me, I'm showing up at the factory with some Aerogel (even the lower R mesh type), some sheets of hydrophobic foam, and a hard hat. We're doing that fridge and freezer right.
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Mike suggested it earlier on re provisioning but do you think there is reason to hive this off into three threads ? This one remains plus provisioning (budget related ?) and refrigeration.
I think that if it goes over into a new thread , a " Credit" should post from this one ? or when you enter this $500 dollar thread it should give you a reference
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The higher a priority you give booze, the less likely you will be to be able to cruise on less than $500 a month. Cruising on less than $500 a month is no problem; cruising on less than $500 a month, while making booze a high priority, is not. Add the cost of running , buying and maintaining refrigeration to the cost of booze, and you have one very significant expense. Stop drinking, and you may find, as I have, that the added cruising time ,and the reduction in working time to pay for it , gives far greater enjoyment than simply dulling the senses with alcohol ever gave you.
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+1 Especially from my flying days. Decending into a new town, looking at the lay of the land, buildings, life, etc., that beats even a cold beer. And the two (flying and drinking) don't mix at all.

Got the first-ish ice cream cones of the season on Tangier Island that way, with my girlfriend. Flew south to warmer weather and got a beach day in early spring. Got the last-ish cones at the same spot that fall. (Yes, married her.)

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GG,

If I did peltier, I'd put one going to the fridge. Then I'd put one between the fridge and the freezer. So the freezer's peltier "pushes off" the fridge temperature and the fridge's peltier "pushes off" the outside temperature (water or whatever).

But it would have to be something active like your antifreeze flow, so there's 100% insulation everywhere.

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And if I ever commission a boat to be built for me, I'm showing up at the factory with some Aerogel (even the lower R mesh type), some sheets of hydrophobic foam, and a hard hat. We're doing that fridge and freezer right.
Agree... the heat transfer and removal will be the biggest obstacles especially when in the hot Caribbean waters of 80 deg or more since this will be the draw of your water intake. Antifreeze would work but you'd have to dump 30-40 degrees of heat somewhere... a radiator? That would heat up the cabin... got to look at other alternatives... electro-chemical conversion to remove the heat.. opposite of a resistor if you catch my drift. I do like the Danfoss 40 specs and downloaded the pdf so I can compare... it's a small unit and might also look at this if it is reliable in the 5-10 years span... maybe use both?
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Agree... the heat transfer and removal will be the biggest obstacles especially when in the hot Caribbean waters of 80 deg or more since this will be the draw of your water intake. Antifreeze would work but you'd have to dump 30-40 degrees of heat somewhere... a radiator? That would heat up the cabin... got to look at other alternatives... electro-chemical conversion to remove the heat.. opposite of a resistor if you catch my drift. I do like the Danfoss 40 specs and downloaded the pdf so I can compare... it's a small unit and might also look at this if it is reliable in the 5-10 years span... maybe use both?
Those "delivery water" (like Poland Spring) water coolers run off a similar compressor. If you find one, see if you can hear it. (You can't.)

They went one better and removed the fan. It's not needed since they spread-out the cooling. I have the fan blowing the heated air out a stern vent, so I'm not planning to do that.

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Those "delivery water" (like Poland Spring) water coolers run off a similar compressor. If you find one, see if you can hear it. (You can't.)

They went one better and removed the fan. It's not needed since they spread-out the cooling. I have the fan blowing the heated air out a stern vent, so I'm not planning to do that.

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OK... I'll have to see the one at the office, I'm sure if the unit was in an insulated cabinet with rubber isolation on the feet it may be silent... but it's mechanical by nature and may fail at any minute.

I have a small cooler for my marine aquarium that is a refrigerated unit to keep the temps at a constant 78-80 deg due to the high temp lamps warming the top surface of the water... it sits under the tank cabinet but it's noisy and sometimes I just turn it off...one of these:

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I'd vote the keep all this in one thread. It's more fun that way.

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OK... I'll have to see the one at the office, I'm sure if the unit was in an insulated cabinet with rubber isolation on the feet it may be silent... but it's mechanical by nature and may fail at any minute.

I have a small cooler for my marine aquarium that is a refrigerated unit to keep the temps at a constant 78-80 deg due to the high temp lamps warming the top surface of the water... it sits under the tank cabinet but it's noisy and sometimes I just turn it off...one of these:

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Looks like there's a similar type compressor in there.

See page 10 of the manual, here: http://www.f3images.com/IMD/UserManuals/JB1113.pdf

But the fan is big and there's a water pump maybe. Stick a pen into the fan (to quiet it) and see if all the noise goes away... except for the pump noise. Not sure if you can turn the water pump off.

Best to just find a water cooler -- note that it needs to be a household cooler, not some industrial version that has a fan. Either way, you see it's the fan that make the noise. The compressor is really quiet.

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Agree... the heat transfer and removal will be the biggest obstacles especially when in the hot Caribbean waters of 80 deg or more since this will be the draw of your water intake. Antifreeze would work but you'd have to dump 30-40 degrees of heat somewhere... a radiator? That would heat up the cabin... got to look at other alternatives... electro-chemical conversion to remove the heat.. opposite of a resistor if you catch my drift. I do like the Danfoss 40 specs and downloaded the pdf so I can compare... it's a small unit and might also look at this if it is reliable in the 5-10 years span... maybe use both?
Could always use a keel cooler like closed loop dry exhaust systems on powerboats may work well with antifreeze filled system
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