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Re: Voyaging on $500 per month

question:

since we are on the topic of BUDGET navigation(jajaja)

whats everybodys latest cheap nav software kind of like captain software was 10-15 years ago?

I need cheap or free...something that will work on my HP laptop running windows 7

I have space on thehardrive and can get some extra space...I have the garmin 76cx which can b e plugged into the laptop but has very basic plotting abilities

whats my best bet for these to equipments I have?

when I was in california I used noaa charts downlodable but for some reason I simply used a paper chart as it didnt work for me downloading or something...I just used them for refernce while hopping down the coast

this was 2 years ago

so any help here?

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Re: Voyaging on $500 per month

Unfortunately I can't help you Christian. I'm a Mac head, but I don't use my PC for navigation anyway. I do use an iPad though. While the machine is not that cheap (blows the $500/month budget for a month or two), the nav apps are pretty inexpensive. I use iNavx with navionics charts. App cost me about $50 and all the charts for Canada (all coasts including Great Lakes) cost me another $50. With a built-in GPS, these tablets are pretty handy.
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Unfortunately I can't help you Christian. I'm a Mac head, but I don't use my PC for navigation anyway. I do use an iPad though. While the machine is not that cheap (blows the $500/month budget for a month or two), the nav apps are pretty inexpensive. I use iNavx with navionics charts. App cost me about $50 and all the charts for Canada (all coasts including Great Lakes) cost me another $50. With a built-in GPS, these tablets are pretty handy.
Mike... I don't understand... if you haven't started cruising yet and haven't left your home slip, anything you buy and add the boat before you leave would not be considered part of the $500 budget... wouldn't that budget kickoff when you leave your slip? Right now you're working somewhere I assume and you make the $$$ to buy what you need before you leave... I don't understand everyone's rant about breaking your $500/month budget buying whatever equipment/supplies you may need yet you haven't left port yet.
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Mike... I don't understand... if you haven't started cruising yet and haven't left your home slip, anything you buy and add the boat before you leave would not be considered part of the $500 budget... wouldn't that budget kickoff when you leave your slip? Right now you're working somewhere I assume and you make the $$$ to buy what you need before you leave... I don't understand everyone's rant about breaking your $500/month budget buying whatever equipment/supplies you may need yet you haven't left port yet.
Sorry ... I should have put a or a after the $500 comment. It was meant as a bit of a joke. I was just saying iPads are not that cheap. I fully agree with you, and am definitely not wrapped up in trying to justify my low-budget ambitions.

To be clear (in case anyone wants to know), our overt approach is to invest heavily in our boat and its systems now so that that our operating costs will be low for a number of years. We are spending a lot of money now b/c my wife and I are making good money, and have a lifestyle that allows us to divert a lot into the boat, and into savings. But when we pull the plug in a few months we will leave with no definite income. This is why low-cost cruising will have to be our future.
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Re: Voyaging on $500 per month

i bought a Standard Horizon VHF last year (not expensive) and has its own GPS. Nice for redundancy's sake. On our boat we have the GPS in the chart plotter, the GPS in the iPad, the GPS in the AIS unit, the GPS in the VHF, and the old Garmin 12 GPS. Surely one of these would work. In a thunderstorm we have been known to put the iPad in the microwave (Faraday cage apparently), and we have been hit by lightning so I know it is more than a theoretical possibility.

I think that there is a little bit of confusion in this discussion between knowing your location (what a GPS does) and plotting your location and progress (either with a chart plotter or on paper). The confusion is easy to understand since so many pieces of software and hardware combine the two functions seamlessly, even though they are separate.

Another thought, if you are going any significant distance, the cost of charts (not to mention the space requirements) are huge. We had paper charts when we crossed the Pacific and this came to 120 charts -and this was only for the South Pacific to about Fiji. We looked at perhaps three charts in a year just to get another look at things. For the Indian Ocean and South Atlantic we did not have any paper charts, just electronic redundancy (3 sets in total - on chart plotter, iPad, and laptop). What I would recommend instead of paper charts are cruising guides, people's blogs, letters in the SSCA Bulletins, etc. These provide the kind of detailed and current info you really need. BTW, when we were in Indonesia, paper charts from US and British sources (and electronic charts using these) were virtually useless since they showed no detail for the areas cruisers would be interested in. In a bay a mile wide there would be one sounding and it would be wrong. At one point we were anchored inland and crossed about a mile of land, while the depth sounder could not find the bottom (it usually is good to 400'). The Indonesian charts (old Dutch hydrography I assume) were better (not good mind you), but I have no idea where you get them - probably Djakarta but good luck arranging the purchase (they were also more than $30 each).

Some people say you can trade charts but this only works if you can mail them to someone upwind. The people you meet anywhere (let me pick a place - Tahiti) are not going where you have just been; they were there too. They also are going downwind toward NZ or Oz.
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Re: Voyaging on $500 per month

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Another thought, if you are going any significant distance, the cost of charts (not to mention the space requirements) are huge. We had paper charts when we crossed the Pacific and this came to 120 charts -and this was only for the South Pacific to about Fiji. We looked at perhaps three charts in a year just to get another look at things. For the Indian Ocean and South Atlantic we did not have any paper charts, just electronic redundancy (3 sets in total - on chart plotter, iPad, and laptop). What I would recommend instead of paper charts are cruising guides, people's blogs, letters in the SSCA Bulletins, etc.
I guess that Paper Charts and their cost given the quantity required could be considered a capital expense ? Nonetheless the expense could be crippling I agree, not to mention the stowage space required.

Question re the SSCA ..... outside of America did you find that resource useful ?

One point re charts .... in Oz their is no NOAA giving out free charts whether electronic or paper. Whle we did putter about the NSW coast using nowt but GPS for position and Paper Charts I'd have to acknowedge that with about as much redundancy as Killarney we very rarely look at them now even though until recently I'd still buy the paper if going somewhere new.

I do wonder how many cruising sailors would subscribe to the "we must have paper and sextant for when electronic armageddon arrives" would be quite so righteous if they didn't just cruise Nth America.
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Re: Voyaging on $500 per month

We found the SSCA resources useful beyond North America, for example, we were just at Ascension Island and there was a recent "letter" about the place that was helpful. If you were cruising in Europe a membership in the Cruising Association would make more sense. Would be nice if these organizations cooperated more with each other, but i guess to some extent they are friendly competitors.
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I do wonder how many cruising sailors would subscribe to the "we must have paper and sextant for when electronic armageddon arrives" would be quite so righteous if they didn't just cruise Nth America.
Yes it must be nice to get charts for free.

If I were more attentive, we could probably buy a lot of used charts in NZ from cruisers that have done the Pacific and are on their way west. But to be honest, it's too much of a schlepp.

I make a habit of buying one or sometimes two new charts a month (I try to buy only British Admiralty charts, they last forever) - have built up a considerable library doing that. Also we have an auction website where one often finds used charts, cruising guides and pilots for sale. I try to get into those when I see them.

As far as stowage, if you stow folded/flat they don't take up a huge amount of room. I have a locker top on which we store folded charts and I probably have about 80 charts and they're only maybe 3 inches thick. I have another 15 inches of space. The problem is getting to the ones you need, I think that could be problematic when you have a few hundred
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Another thought, if you are going any significant distance, the cost of charts (not to mention the space requirements) are huge. We had paper charts when we crossed the Pacific and this came to 120 charts -and this was only for the South Pacific to about Fiji. We looked at perhaps three charts in a year just to get another look at things. For the Indian Ocean and South Atlantic we did not have any paper charts, just electronic redundancy (3 sets in total - on chart plotter, iPad, and laptop). What I would recommend instead of paper charts are cruising guides, people's blogs, letters in the SSCA Bulletins, etc.

I guess that Paper Charts and their cost given the quantity required could be considered a capital expense ? Nonetheless the expense could be crippling I agree, not to mention the stowage space required.

One point re charts .... in Oz their is no NOAA giving out free charts whether electronic or paper. Whle we did putter about the NSW coast using nowt but GPS for position and Paper Charts I'd have to acknowedge that with about as much redundancy as Killarney we very rarely look at them now even though until recently I'd still buy the paper if going somewhere new.

I do wonder how many cruising sailors would subscribe to the "we must have paper and sextant for when electronic armageddon arrives" would be quite so righteous if they didn't just cruise Nth America.
Well, I don't know about being "righteous", but I'm one of those who still likes to have paper aboard when I venture beyond the US, despite the fact that it can be a MAJOR budget-buster...

Which happens to be a point first raised MORE THAN 900 FREAKIN' POSTS AGO...

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Re: Voyaging on $500 per month

+1 on inavx and chart books. Also have small handheld garmin as backups to the ray marine. Carry a cheap plastic Davis sextant with reductions in iPad. Belt and suspenders. Also great fun to do lower limb of moon and amaze the wife. She inherited a weems and Plath. Way to nice for me to get my grubby hands on. It sits someplace safe. Agree with Jon too cool to see the little circles cross they chart. Don't get the same kick when it's on a screen .
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