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I am sure much of it was upfront things like the huge amount of diesel he carried as well as being resupplied at sea

I don't believe he was able to carry 1 year of food and spares on a 27' going through some of the worst places on earth

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He started out with about 80 gallons of diesel, if memory serves... Not all that major an expense, in the big picture. Of course, for most larger yachts doing the NW Passage, fuel is likely to be a significant part of the budget, and the cost of re-fuelling in places like Resolute or Cambridge Bay very high. Probably in the vicinity of $8/gallon, these days...

Matt's food was almost all freeze-dried, and he carried enough to get him all the way through. The re-supplies enroute were not planned upon prior to his departure, and when they did occur, didn't include much in the way of provisions. I recall he was brought a Virginia Ham per special request, and a bottle or two of Scotch, but a few 'treats' like that were about it, if I recall correctly...
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He started out with about 80 gallons of diesel, if memory serves... Not all that major an expense, in the big picture. Of course, for most larger yachts doing the NW Passage, fuel is likely to be a significant part of the budget, and the cost of re-fuelling in places like Resolute or Cambridge Bay very high. Probably in the vicinity of $8/gallon, these days...

Matt's food was almost all freeze-dried, and he carried enough to get him all the way through. The re-supplies enroute were not planned upon prior to his departure, and when they did occur, didn't include much in the way of provisions. I recall he was brought a Virginia Ham per special request, and a bottle or two of Scotch, but a few 'treats' like that were about it, if I recall correctly...
what is the distance from Newfoundland to nome? would my 1800 mile range make it without a refuel? ( I would sail when I could)


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what is the distance from Newfoundland to nome? would my 1800 mile range make it without a refuel? ( I would sail when I could)
Just eyeballing my globe here on my desktop, looks like roughly 5,000 miles to me... I think it's highly unlikely many sailing vessels make it thru without refueling, as that trip often turns out to be a motor job most of the way.
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Jon, diesel fuel up there would be a lot more than $8/gal. It is close to $5/gal in Toronto and the refineries are pretty close to the gas stations. If it was under $10 I would be surprised.

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Jon, diesel fuel up there would be a lot more than $8/gal. It is close to $5/gal in Toronto and the refineries are pretty close to the gas stations. If it was under $10 I would be surprised.
That's what I would have thought, as well...

But, apparently not so... these prices quoted are a few years old, but diesel prices haven't really risen all that much in the interim:

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Diesel fuel like all fuel prices are skyrocketing. April 2011 price for a liter of diesel in Cambridge Bay Nunavut Canada is $1.31/liter. Remember this price is based upon the price of fuel delivered last August 2010 during the annual sealift. If diesel prices increase proportionately (doubtful) the following price forecast is possible:

USA National Diesel Prices:
April 2010 = $2.83/gallon
April 2011 = $3.54/gallon, 125% increase

Cambridge Bay Nunavut Canada Diesel Price:
April 2011 = $1.31/liter x 3.7854 liters/gallon = $4.96/gallon

August 2011 forecast at 125% increase = $6.20/gallon ($1.64/liter)

Northwest Passage 2012 dot com: DIESEL FUEL - Forecasting Arctic Diesel Prices
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Who would have ever thought we'd be paying this much for diesel! Simply mind boggling. Seems I remember it being about 25 cents in the 1960s:-)

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Some cruising friends of my mine paid close to $9.00 a gallon in PNG recently......


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Just eyeballing my globe here on my desktop, looks like roughly 5,000 miles to me... I think it's highly unlikely many sailing vessels make it thru without refueling, as that trip often turns out to be a motor job most of the way.
according to open CPN you will have to motor 1500 miles during the 3800 mile trip. I would stop wherever and just get 100 gallons of fuel. I am basing "have to motor" on waters less then 30 miles wide. Of course if the wind is favorable you could sail all but 500 miles. there are a few narrow passes. from cape cod to nome is 4500 miles an easy trip. as long as the ice is low.


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Jon, the fuel delivery cost must be heavily subsidized (by me it would appear). Diesel in Toronto is more expensive than those prices.

UP, your assumptions about when you motor and when you sail are simplistic at best. Most of this trip is in the polar easterlies and the winds are just not very reliable up there in the summer. When the ice opens up you have to move and move fast, you can't be trying to find the wind that will keep you sailing at 3 knots.

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UP, your assumptions about when you motor and when you sail are simplistic at best. Most of this trip is in the polar easterlies and the winds are just not very reliable up there in the summer. When the ice opens up you have to move and move fast, you can't be trying to find the wind that will keep you sailing at 3 knots.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxU...UT8SrYKgC6FB0A

you could be very correct, I have not made the trip myself. Just going from written accounts, and videos.


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