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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

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When we decide to go out on the boat for a weekend, we throw some clothes in a bag, pick up some food/beer/ice at the market, and are sailing away from the mooring within 10 minutes of parking the car.

I enjoy using ice in the icebox, lifting the anchor by hand, rowing the dinghy... especially since those things will never fail me all season long.
When I want to go sailing I go sailing. You know what I do when I want to go sailing and one one of those "complex" things on my boat breaks? I do things in the old fashioned way just like you do everyday and then; go sailing!

"Complex" systems breaking doesn't mean the boat is dead in the water! The only thing that has stopped me from sailing when I wanted to were the sails (not really because I've sailed on just the main when the jib was in the shop, and on just the jib when the main was in the shop). In thinking back the only thing that has ever stopped me sailing when I wanted to has been weather!
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

I have written in at least one of my posts how last year I felt a bit like I was camping at times. If I had to pick one thing that to me separates camping from cruising it's having a climate controlled cabin.

One of my next posts on here is going to be heating systems.

I would say other things that make it more camping are:

Real galley
Electronics
Dinghy motor
Real bedding over a sleeping bag
On board flushing head and shower
Refrigeration
Assorted little comforts like sun shades


However reading this has made me more fearful about ever owing a large and complex boat. Someone wrote how their dad were spent fixing stuff that breaks and while I know you can't avoid that completely. I probably only had to spend an average of 15 minutes a day on boat maintenance. Maybe I got lucky and I did have too small of a boat.

I'm now scared of inboards. Too many things can go wrong
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

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I'm now scared of inboards. Too many things can go wrong
Quite the opposite, in my opinion...

There are very few things mechanical more reliable than a properly maintained and used naturally-aspirated diesel engine...
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

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Our biggest failure as cruisers has been winging our kids off of regular milk. They hate all powedered milks or canned milks. This has been a real challenge.
Have you tried UHT milk? We use it extensively aboard and I can't taste the difference. I even make yogurt with it.

Still waiting to see you up here. Maybe when things warm up?
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

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Quite the opposite, in my opinion...



There are very few things mechanical more reliable than a properly maintained and used naturally-aspirated diesel engine...

Totally agree with you too. Dang, first Dave now you. My rep is deteriorating fast. I may have to start a thread on enclosures so we can get back to bickering.
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

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Have you tried UHT milk? We use it extensively aboard and I can't taste the difference. I even make yogurt with it.



Still waiting to see you up here. Maybe when things warm up?

Uht? Which one is that? Sorry. I am not sure there is one they have not tried.
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

Maybe none of you have a cruise which is exciting enough to make sure its so imperative you have to go no matter what.

If you are seeing one of the Seven Wonders of the World does it really matter if you have air conditioning?
But if you can't see it because you are too lazy to install a head and the wife bucks at shitting in a bucket?

No one here is talking about cruising successful cruising, you are all just talking about running away from society as you know it. To cruise you must go somewhere, not stay at home and cook food on a substandard cooker that happens to be on a boat.

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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

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Quite the opposite, in my opinion...

There are very few things mechanical more reliable than a properly maintained and used naturally-aspirated diesel engine...
I agree in diesel there is just one word to remember and that is CLEAN. Clean oil clean fuel and clean air do that and you will have a long lasting trouble free engine I would also suggest some lubricating additive the new ultra low sulpher stuff hasn't got the lubricity it used to a friend of mine suggested 2 cycle oil just like you use with gas in older outboards he said a qt for every 25 gallons and it did wonders in my trucks BTW he owns skaget injection services he makes his living repairing injection systems on semis
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

I think UHT is the boxed milk, I keep some on board so I can always have my oatmeal, it's available in most grocery stores around here now. They have all varieties including chocolate.
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Re: How not to go "camping" while cruising frugally

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What is cruising? My cruising versus the cruising many on here talk about can be two very different things. I wouldn't mind crapping in a bucket and throwing ice in a cooler for a weekend. Heck, I might even do it for a few weeks. But years on end? No way. Our boat is our home, our only home. I enjoy a comfortable home, but don't mind sleeping on the sofa when we go visit family.

THat is the problem when trying to keep from 'camping' and what everyone feels comfortable with. There really are not a lot cruisers that have boats loaded with creature comforts to replicate a home and use them consistently. You cant really make it work for a long period of time. The water usage, diesel usage, gas usage, power consumption, etc are too high. You will have to conserve water (even with a watermaker) because it uses diesel and that is limited. You cannot run your air conditioning all day because its not allowed in many anchorages, and if it were, where would you get the fuel? TV is great... but guess what, there is no television channels in Marathon and many other places we have been so you would have to get a satellite (R2D2) and here again, power consumption. It is not to say we cruisers don't enjoy a variable amount of these things, but even if we have them aboard, they tend to be a bit of a luxury away from the dock. Don't even get me started on propane!!!!

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Good points Brian. There is a huge difference between living/cruising on a boat and going sailing. For most of the cruisers I see we have power boats with auxiliary sails. Very very few sail for fun.

Cruising area also makes a big difference. While we were cruising in the US shopping for anything is easy. Water is available everywhere and usually free. Most of the time we ran our motor everyday so we had plenty of power and hot water.

Here in the Bahamas you have to buy water although it's pretty cheap, around $0.25/gal in Abaco but it's not always available. Food is way more expensive for most things. Milk for example is over $8. We drink a lot of milk and have gotten quite used to powdered milk. The trick is to keep it really cold even freeze the glasses if you have to.

A few years ago we bought a 45 quart Engel which we use as a freezer. We buy all our meat for the winter at Costco before we leave the US. We do buy local produce for salads and potatoes. All and all we eat very well. No freeze dried meals or K rations.

We have a watermaker, a Katadyne 80. It makes wonderful water even in Marsh Harbour. If I had to do it again I would buy a larger unit. The Katadyne is one of the simplest units consisting really only of a pump and membrane. Also if I was building one I would seriously consider using a 120 volt pump. I run my generator anyway whenever I make water. Others make water while underway and run their motor so for them a 12 volt system works well. When we were in the Eleuthras and Exumas water is as easy to obtain and would require numerous dingy trips to get. Our watermaker was really nice to have. In Exuma Park water is not available and we would have run out without the watermaker.

People often wonder how we can live in such a small area. I always tell them that the living area may be small but I have a huge swimming pool.
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