How big a holding tank vs. camping - Page 7 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree13Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #61  
Old 01-17-2014
barefootnavigator's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Salish Sea
Posts: 612
Thanks: 24
Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
Rep Power: 3
barefootnavigator is on a distinguished road
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

I use them when needed and have and will continue to. Here is something to think about. Zero discharge means zero discharge. By that standard 100% of all boats sailing with gas or diesel engines are breaking the law by discharging raw fuel into the water 100% of the time the engines are started and run. Poo? who gives a ****
christian.hess likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #62  
Old 01-17-2014
Omatako's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Auckland New Zealand
Posts: 2,448
Thanks: 0
Thanked 30 Times in 27 Posts
Rep Power: 12
Omatako will become famous soon enough
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootnavigator View Post
Well for one thing we don't use them, they are for emergency which has been written by many people here. . . . . I actually prefer to use a bucket, it is clean and sanitary. If I had no other option than a holding tank in my boat I would give up sailing, for me its a deal breaker.
Say what? So you use the bucket sans the bag and then what? Tip the contents over the side? Or leave it in the corner until you leave the anchorage? When I was a teenager we had a joke that went "How do you keep flies out of the kitchen? Answer: Put a bucket of shite in the lounge". Maybe it's not a joke - maybe it really works.

Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootnavigator View Post
I've used the bucket and wag bags for years and I can tell you 5 minutes a day really isn't that big of an issue. Having 20 gallons of **** under your mattress is third world nasty. Nothing like going on a pristine yacht and smelling ****.
OK, let's not split hairs - you probably don't use them now, right? So what do you use now? From the second quote above it's not a holding tank.

I'm not taking the piss (no pun intended), I'm really intrigued.
barefootnavigator likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

__________________

"Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."

Arthur C. Clarke
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #63  
Old 01-17-2014
barefootnavigator's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Salish Sea
Posts: 612
Thanks: 24
Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
Rep Power: 3
barefootnavigator is on a distinguished road
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

I use shore-side facilities when I can, bags when I have to and the bucket everywhere in between no pun intended
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #64  
Old 01-18-2014
bljones's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: South Coast Ontario
Posts: 8,202
Thanks: 33
Thanked 74 Times in 67 Posts
Rep Power: 8
bljones has a spectacular aura about bljones has a spectacular aura about
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

Quote:
Originally Posted by barefootnavigator View Post
I use them when needed and have and will continue to. Here is something to think about. Zero discharge means zero discharge. By that standard 100% of all boats sailing with gas or diesel engines are breaking the law by discharging raw fuel into the water 100% of the time the engines are started and run. Poo? who gives a ****
This is the kinda crap that broke sailors do that makes it harder for other broke sailors. You may not give a **** about your poo, but the guy on a boat a couple of moorings over who sees you dump your bait bucket of brown trout will likely give a ****.

You can try to rationalize your "i'm too broke to afford a proper non-smelling marine head, or too incompetent to make the one i had work" philosophy anyway you want to, but you might find your explanation is an uphill battle when you are asked to leave a mooring field and your boat is tagged because you do not have the requisite sanitary equipment.
In fact, I can pretty much predict the answer you will hear from marina staff- "That discharge keeps us in business- your discharge is bad for business."

Oh, and don't drink, at least in North America- having a beer on your boat, even on a mooring, without a head, puts you at risk of a DUI.
That fine will put a real dent in your low-buck cruising budget.
__________________
It's 5 o'clock somewhere:


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #65  
Old 01-18-2014
hellosailor's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 10,879
Thanks: 2
Thanked 101 Times in 98 Posts
Rep Power: 10
hellosailor has a spectacular aura about hellosailor has a spectacular aura about
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

Wagbags:
There's a simpler cheaper way. Buy a box of plastic bags, buy a big box of clumping kitty litter. Throw about a half cup of kitty litter into a bag, add another half cup after use, if needed. The stuff is incredibly absorbent. When you're done, tie a knot in the bag. Stow the full bags in another bag, they're cheap enough.

Wagbags are what, about two bucks each? Twenty bucks should get you at least fifty 5-6 gallon size garbage bags and the huge box of kitty litter. The wagbags are clever, they supposedly are higher tech, yadayada, they're damned expensive.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #66  
Old 01-18-2014
Minnesail's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,058
Thanks: 132
Thanked 38 Times in 37 Posts
Rep Power: 2
Minnesail is on a distinguished road
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Wagbags are what, about two bucks each? Twenty bucks should get you at least fifty 5-6 gallon size garbage bags and the huge box of kitty litter. The wagbags are clever, they supposedly are higher tech, yadayada, they're damned expensive.
Three bucks a piece! Oh, the price of pooping.

Amazon.com: Cleanwaste WAG Portable Toilet Bags: Sports & Outdoors Amazon.com: Cleanwaste WAG Portable Toilet Bags: Sports & Outdoors


__________________
Catalina 22
on a starboard tack
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #67  
Old 01-18-2014
barefootnavigator's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Salish Sea
Posts: 612
Thanks: 24
Thanked 22 Times in 22 Posts
Rep Power: 3
barefootnavigator is on a distinguished road
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

Quote:
Originally Posted by bljones View Post
This is the kinda crap that broke sailors do that makes it harder for other broke sailors. You may not give a **** about your poo, but the guy on a boat a couple of moorings over who sees you dump your bait bucket of brown trout will likely give a ****.

You can try to rationalize your "i'm too broke to afford a proper non-smelling marine head, or too incompetent to make the one i had work" philosophy anyway you want to, but you might find your explanation is an uphill battle when you are asked to leave a mooring field and your boat is tagged because you do not have the requisite sanitary equipment.
In fact, I can pretty much predict the answer you will hear from marina staff- "That discharge keeps us in business- your discharge is bad for business."

Oh, and don't drink, at least in North America- having a beer on your boat, even on a mooring, without a head, puts you at risk of a DUI.
That fine will put a real dent in your low-buck cruising budget.
What makes you think that I have a low buck cruising budget? And why have you completely ignored my post on all the fuel your boat spews into my pristine cruising waters? Oh I get, what your saying is do as I say not as I do
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by barefootnavigator; 01-18-2014 at 02:59 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #68  
Old 01-19-2014
christian.hess's Avatar
"Nubile Southern Sailor"
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Columbus, Ga
Posts: 4,353
Thanks: 169
Thanked 173 Times in 169 Posts
Rep Power: 2
christian.hess is on a distinguished road
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

I wish I wouldnt get logged out when posting a long thoughtful post...but as always patience grasshoper

I dont get the complaints about human poo when you see huge companies and factories spilling crap next you all over the world

I mean battery acid, sulfur, pestcides flushed away, etc...etc...how is a biodegradable poo worse than even fuel?

Ive seen fish eat poo! for petes sake...

why put laws to not pee when you might be swimming in green floruscent marvel type goo? and not even know about it?

anywhoo!
__________________
Islander 36 now FOR SALE!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #69  
Old 01-27-2014
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Indianapolis
Posts: 15
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 0
warren5421 is on a distinguished road
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

Only story I have about holding tanks was when I was in the US canoe club. I was on watch and had to take a reading once an hour on the aft holding tank. This was done at the lower level watch station. This was done using air, after taking the reading you vented the air through a ľ” vent line which vented in the upper deck as high as the line could be run. Someone left the flush water running and filled the tank I took the reading opened the vent and it blew particulate all over the Engineering Officer who was not liked. Couldn’t happen to a better guy. The upper deck watch had to clean it up and he was grinning from ear to ear. I was informed by the Officer of the watch that the tank was full and not to sound it again till after it was blowed overboard!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #70  
Old 01-27-2014
CarbonSink62's Avatar
Load Bearing Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Derry, NH
Posts: 531
Thanks: 7
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 4
CarbonSink62 is on a distinguished road
Re: How big a holding tank vs. camping

I've done the porta-potti on my 18; it was ok. At least I could offer my guests something more than a bucket.

I love having a real head on my 25 and I have had no complaints of odor at all.

I leave $10 in an orange key fob hanging from the lifeline and call NH Dept of Evironmental Svcs; they come by in a boat and suck the tank dry. I don't even have to be there. It's a sweet deal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by warren5421 View Post
Only story I have about holding tanks was when I was in the US canoe club. I was on ...
Funny story about my time in Uncle Sam's Canoe Club:

On a submarine the sanitary tanks are emptied by coming up close to the surface; pressurizing the tank; and opening the overboard valve. There are many amusing stories about people inside the boat not being aware that this was happening and trying to use the head. This isn't one of those stories.

In port, the tanks are emptied the same way, but into a sewer pipe on the pier. The boat behind us had left earlier that day, but the crew failed to replace the blank-off when they disconnected their pump out line (cue sinister music). At some point, we needed to empty our tank and you can guess what happened. The Topside Watch screams into the 1MC "Secure blowing sanitary tanks! Secure blowing sanitary tanks!" That got everyone out of the boat to see what was going on. The sewer line ports are open towards the dock, not the water, I guess so it is easier to connect the hoses, so the 'effluent' was sprayed all over the parked cars on the pier. I maybe should have mentioned earlier that only high ranking officers get to park their cars close to the boat; couldn't have happened to nicer people.

Ken
__________________
Zen Again

1978 Bristol 29.9 #122

Testing a mother's love since 1962
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Convert existing steel freshwater tank to blackwater holding tank? patrickstickler General Discussion (sailing related) 7 09-24-2010 08:55 PM
Holding Tank cvsheppard Pacific Seacraft 1 06-01-2009 11:27 PM
Holding Tank leterip Announcements and Suggestions Box 2 12-23-2008 11:03 AM
Holding tank DLM Gear & Maintenance 11 12-06-2007 07:51 AM
Holding Tank Scubado Gear & Maintenance 14 04-01-2004 12:24 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:24 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.