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Re: Sailing "big boats"

Looks like a sweet ride. In boom furling, probably electrics and all the bells and whistles. Day jumps? Not a bad way to go if you want a good nights sleep.
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Re: Sailing "big boats"

The ocean is not a forgiving creature. So..... would you rather have the full sized / serious equipment or the thin mast / rigging / lines / etc., which go with the smaller weekend cruisers?

We have a ketch rigged Tai Chiao CT 56 and wouldn't consider going down one single inch.

We have parties with as much as 30 people onboard. We also liveaboard. And yes, we do almost 100% of the maintenance work ourselves.

This boat weighs over 68,000 lbs., and I LOVE that! When I pull up to a dock she is not easily pushed away by current and or wind; i.e., I have plenty of time to tie her up.
She is not easily bounced around at the dock when a boat goes by us.

I like to compare the size question to this:

Would you rather be driving a scooter or a full sized vehicle on the interstate highway?

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Re: Sailing "big boats"

Jon- see we aren't all jerks. Personally what I see are skilled and sometimes very skilled owners taking on captains for reasons often driven by insurance or like factors. Agree there can only be one captain but there can be watch captains as well. I've yet to hire a captain but I could see it happen.
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Re: Sailing "big boats"

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I like to compare the size question to this:

Would you rather be driving a scooter or a full sized vehicle on the interstate highway?
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I don't think it is a good comparison, as bad as comparing a bus with a Porsche on the interstate highway.

You could compare on the interstate a small family car with a big limo but that is not fair also because the limo is not more difficult to drive or handle, at least on the interstate, while a bigger boat can (or not, depending of size and type of boat).

I believe that for most regarding big boats the main issues and questions are:

How big can I sail solo or with my wife comfortably?

How will the size of a big boat affect maintenance and marina costs?

How that size will affect the ability to put in and out the boat from marinas and ports alone or just with a bit of help from my wive?

How much that big size will affect availability of marina and port spaces on the cruising grounds I will sail?

How much I will gain in speed regarding a less expensive to maintain and easier to maneuver (at the marina) boat?

How much space and carrying load do I really need for the type of sailing and life-style (use of the boat) I have or want?


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Re: Sailing "big boats"

Paulo ends his post with what I think is the key point.

How big a boat for the sailing we will do.

If I was not looking at living aboard with my wife wanting heat/cooling/ TV/internet/ email/ room for longterm guests. If I was not looking at one to two blue water passages a year. If I was not looking at being self contained as regards water, electric, and stores for an unknown period of time but likely weeks..... I would be pleased as punch with something around 30 feet. Easier on the wallet and easier on me.

For the sailing we will do for the next 10-15y mid forties are right. Other have explained for the sailing they do much bigger is right. All have tempered their decisions by the resources they have and their ability to make their boat as much as possible sail-able by one. It is wonderful as sails, sail handling, A.P.s boat design/construction have advanced that point in size becomes bigger and bigger. Still, that needs to be tempered by thinking about what happens when a system breaks as all eventually will.
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Looks like a sweet ride. In boom furling, probably electrics and all the bells and whistles. Day jumps? Not a bad way to go if you want a good nights sleep.
Also not a bad way to go if the owner wants to see the one portion of the East coast (Norfolk to Charleston) he had not previously seen by boat, the trip is being done during the shortest days of the year, the guy enjoys few things more than dining in nice restaurants and drinking fine wines, and the captain's fee is based more on a daily basis, as opposed to a flat rate... :-)
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Nice video, but I miss the point

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Re: Sailing "big boats"

lol, sorry, wrong thread!!!

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I've always thought a good 'marker' for determining boat size relative to one's personal strength, is the ability to furl a headsail by hand. I'm of the opinion that I should be able to furl the jib in 'normal' conditions without having to resort to the use of a winch... If I cannot, it means either that the furler itself is undersized, or the furling line leads are not sufficiently fair, or I've waited too long to reef, or I'm simply not strong enough to be sailing that particular boat... Having to take a furling line to a winch - particularly a powered one - can be a very risky practice, as so clearly demonstrated recently by Stanley Paris when he destroyed one of his furlers aboard KIWI SPIRIT...
I don't get that one. I never sailed on any 40ft boat (or bigger) where it was possible to reef an headsail on strong winds downwind without a help from a winch. It has nothing to do with the furler but wind wind power on the sail, the size of the sail and with the impossibility to take the wind out of it (upwind it's easy).

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lol, sorry, wrong thread!!!

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