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View Poll Results: Who agrees, City maintained mooring fields are better than no oversight?
Agree City forced and maintained 6 15.00%
Disagree Open to freely anchor at will. 13 32.50%
State should address the real problem. Abandoned boats 18 45.00%
City owned mooring field and privately run by contract 3 7.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Well, since the $100K Federal grant has ALREADY been awarded, and The U.S. Department of Interior, Fish and Wildlife Services is the federal funding agency for this Boating Infrastructure Grant, it would seem pretty unlikely that the necessary environmental impact study was not already conducted long ago...

Beaufort to upgrade downtown Marina with $100,000 grant - WTOC-TV: Savannah, Beaufort, SC, News, Weather & Sports
Are you implying that one branch of the Government actually COMMUNICATES with another branch of the Government.

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My absolute favourite cruising ground. We spent all of last August in there for the $100 pass. Free docking at dozens of small towns, free wifi, some free laundry facilities, free power, free water some amazing small town museums, the wineries on the Finger Lakes, car racing at Watkins Glen, bridge tenders, harbour masters and lock tenders who actually want and welcome cruisers.

Take a look at these photos Cruising the NY State Canal System, of hundreds of yards of empty dock walls. We often docked by ourselves or only one or two other boats.
Love the NY State canal System from the days when it was all free. Now it's still a bargain but in case you guys aren't aware of it - it's winter in the northern hemisphere!!!
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Are you implying that one branch of the Government actually COMMUNICATES with another branch of the Government.

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Agreed, not always very likely, but the possibility still exists :-)

Since the Army Corps of Engineers has already issued the permit, sounds most likely that the required studies (among them, a request for notification from Indian Tribes to determine whether the mooring field might have any impact on properties of religious or cultural significance) have already been completed...

See Pages 2-3 of the following:

http://www.sac.usace.army.mil/Portal...dification.pdf

Discussion of this proposal has actually been ongoing for a few years, sounds like they have their ducks in a row, and it's probably a bit late in the game for the boat owners being displaced to being a halt to this project. Which, incidentally, long ago received the endorsement of the local Beaufort Sail and Power Squadron...

Somewhat overlooked in this discussion, has been the proposed upgrades to the city marina, and how those reflect the sort of boaters Beaufort is most interested in attracting... Namely, those big spenders who will be plugging in with 50 amp shore power cords, as opposed to the $500/month crowd... :-)

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While some boaters prefer moorings, many desire the conveniences offered by dockage at the transient pier. The Downtown Marina falls short is satisfying the electrical needs of large, modern, well-equipped vessels – largely because the electrical service at the marina was installed in the 1970s.

Key elements in the project include:

Installing two step-up transformers to increase the electrical voltage from 208 to 240 volts on the marina's outermost dock which serves visiting vessels. The improvement will provide better customer service and make the marina more attractive to larger vessels traveling the Intracoastal Waterway

Installing 16 professionally-managed moorings for transient boats in an approved area of the Beaufort River, in the area already used as the city's "harbor." Such mooring space isn't available between Charleston and St. Augustine, FL. The new moorings will replace the approximately 12 randomly placed anchoring and also will involve removal of dilapidated boats which will improve water quality

Replacing two existing but rusting electrical disconnect systems at the marina and installing new disconnects in stainless steel housings.

Beaufort to upgrade marina, add mooring field with $100,000 grant | TheDigitel
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Agreed, not always very likely, but the possibility still exists :-)

Since the Army Corps of Engineers has already issued the permit, sounds most likely that the required studies (among them, a request for notification from Indian Tribes to determine whether the mooring field might have any impact on properties of religious or cultural significance) have already been completed...

See Pages 2-3 of the following:

http://www.sac.usace.army.mil/Portal...dification.pdf

Discussion of this proposal has actually been ongoing for a few years, sounds like they have their ducks in a row, and it's probably a bit late in the game for the boat owners being displaced to being a halt to this project. Which, incidentally, long ago received the endorsement of the local Beaufort Sail and Power Squadron...

Somewhat overlooked in this discussion, has been the proposed upgrades to the city marina, and how those reflect the sort of boaters Beaufort is most interested in attracting... Namely, those big spenders who will be plugging in with 50 amp shore power cords, as opposed to the $500/month crowd... :-)
Probably so. As I said earlier, the people who set these kinds of federally paid for projects up, do it for a living, and usually cover all of those bases. These type things are submitted to the cities as a package deal, with campaign fund checks stapled to the proposal. They never lose in court as they usually have that covered, too.

What they won't come back with, is a maintenance package, because there is never enough money in that, because there are never any federal grants for maintenance, and they are in it for the quick buck.
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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

like I said - Off the list !
I enjoyed Beaufort, SC. the times we stopped. the workers at the marina were quite friendly and showers were $1 .
I may anchor again around there, across the way.
it was a tourism town, nothing special.
it'll all be different ten years from now, just like it's different than it was ten years ago.
after all you're not the same as you were ten years ago.what makes you think anything else would be.
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like I said - Off the list !
I enjoyed Beaufort, SC. the times we stopped. the workers at the marina were quite friendly and showers were $1 .
I may anchor again around there, across the way.
it was a tourism town, nothing special.
it'll all be different ten years from now, just like it's different than it was ten years ago.
after all you're not the same as you were ten years ago.what makes you think anything else would be.
You're right. And, for every one of us who like the way things were 20 or 30 years ago better, there is someone who likes the way things are now better.

That is, the constant struggle. Half likes things the way they are, and half wants to change things to what they want them to be. I just hate being a member of the losing half.
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Which, incidentally, long ago received the endorsement of the local Beaufort Sail and Power Squadron...
This group is a grout of elitist folks in our community. They are the rich folk. The ones making decisions for the common folks. The same rich, retired elitist groups like the HOA presidents and board members that mandate no palm tree there, no Wooden fence your gardens because “WE” decide,. Because it’s in “YOUR” Best interest. The same folks that have their power boat in a dry-stack in their gated community. Not to mention, that they are tied into the City council by the hip, Like the Rotary, and the Chamber. Their political wing of the same body. Most local boaters have little faith in the local Squad . Look at their membership ratio to boats

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Somewhat overlooked in this discussion, has been the proposed upgrades to the city marina, and how those reflect the sort of boaters Beaufort is most interested in attracting... Namely, those big spenders who will be plugging in with 50 amp shore power cords, as opposed to the $500/month crowd... :-)
If you were following a long, the upgrade to the city dock has nothing to do with this discussion. Who don't want the dock spruced up? Thats great for the dock renters and transient boaters.
The discussion has always been about the unjust, heavy handedness of city and state governments taken rivers and waterways that have for over 200 years, belonged to the "PEOPLE" and whore it out to contractors for profit and campaign contributions.

Progress to the middle class only means that they no longer get to partake in the fun. It means they will be priced out of the lifestyle by the elite.

What ever.
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GEEZ Jon, Why don't you tell eveyone??

There will be mooring fields everywhere!
Nah, not very likely... I was amazed how few American boats I ran into up there - 1, maybe 2 at the most...

Of course, even just going east of Schoodic, the number of boats drops precipitously...
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Jon, You're right. It's to cold for most.
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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

lt, there's all sorts of ways to fight city hall. Start with going online, or going to the clerk's office, and check out the exact laws requiring notifications for a town meeting, or whatever they held. Often the law will specify how notice has to be given, and how far in advance, and often someone will not comply 100% with that.

If you get lucky, they didn't comply and they have to throw out the meeting and start over.

Then there's the grant itself, you can also check to see IF they properly complied with the terms for that, the timetable, if there are any technicalities that you can get them DSQ'd for on that.

This is how Dennis Conner winds yacht races: Scrutinize the enemy, and DSQ 'em for any infraction you can find.

Then if you really feel bold, you start a recall campaign against the pols who have started the whole business.

Question everything, because the odds are at least one mistake was made and that's all the ***** you need in their armor.
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