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View Poll Results: Who agrees, City maintained mooring fields are better than no oversight?
Agree City forced and maintained 6 14.63%
Disagree Open to freely anchor at will. 13 31.71%
State should address the real problem. Abandoned boats 19 46.34%
City owned mooring field and privately run by contract 3 7.32%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

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when I travel by auto I visit places that I have past by or briefly stopped.
I often surprised that the perspective from the land reveals many available services within walking or biking distance from the waterfront. But, for whatever motivation, nobody at the waterfront seems to be forthcoming with any knowledge of.
I often wonder if their is a hidden agenda.
However, it is more likely that they are just not in tune with what a cruises needs /wants are due to their scewed perception of what traveling by boat means to different boaters.
In my hometown, the city is currently building a marina (using federal grant money, of course), that was supposed to be completed April 30. A couple of days ago, they announced a change order, that will add $130,000 and 30 days to the completion cost and date.

What was this major change? They had forgotten to put in any slips for people to pull in and tie up for a few hours to eat or shop at one of the numerous restaurants and shops, located with three blocks of the new harbor, (although people coming to this harbor in their boats and shopping and eating had been one of the justifications for building it). They have been building this harbor for two years before this problem was recognized, (mainly, as it neared completion, and people looking at it said, "I don't see the day slips. Where will they be located?" Dohhhhh!

Sometimes, it's evil, and sometimes it is just the normal dysfunction that all government is famous for and excels in.
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Their having their last workshop on this mooring field problem today. then its a done deal.


http://www.cityofbeaufort.org/Data/S...18,-2014-w.pdf
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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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The laws regarding who and how you can drop your hook in any navigable waterways are fairly old, longstanding, and undisputed. You can drop it, incidental to the purposes of navigation, but if you're not "passing through" you're no longer navigating, you're an obstruction to navigation.

OTOH, there had to be an environmental impact study before a mooring field could be permitted. And a publication and a reference copy of that study, which should be available for public inspection. If the "last meeting" is tonight, ask where the study is and insist on access to it. If the study does not provide for "What happens when a boat breaks loose and founders?" then it was done incompletely, and you have the right to ask it to be thrown out and revisited, forcing a restart to the whole permitting process.

You might be able to reach someone at the Sierra Club or Greenpeace in their national hq for some fast "emergency" advice as to how to use that kind of monkeywrench.

But as to dropping an anchor anywhere, without limit? No, you won't be able to challenge or change the whole basis behind federal navigable waterway laws. Although a clever sailor could install a whole set of thrusters and a GPOS and actively "hover" without needing to anchor at all. They'd just LOVE that, you'd be underway and actively navigating the vessel, in full conformance with the laws. (VBG)
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But as to dropping an anchor anywhere, without limit? No, you won't be able to challenge or change the whole basis behind federal navigable waterway laws. Although a clever sailor could install a whole set of thrusters and a GPOS and actively "hover" without needing to anchor at all. They'd just LOVE that, you'd be underway and actively navigating the vessel, in full conformance with the laws. (VBG)
I would imagine this will be standard equipment on many boats in just few years.

Helicopter pilots used to joke about hitting "the hover button". Now, many helicopters actually have auto-hover.
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The laws regarding who and how you can drop your hook in any navigable waterways are fairly old, longstanding, and undisputed. You can drop it, incidental to the purposes of navigation, but if you're not "passing through" you're no longer navigating, you're an obstruction to navigation.

OTOH, there had to be an environmental impact study before a mooring field could be permitted. And a publication and a reference copy of that study, which should be available for public inspection. If the "last meeting" is tonight, ask where the study is and insist on access to it. If the study does not provide for "What happens when a boat breaks loose and founders?" then it was done incompletely, and you have the right to ask it to be thrown out and revisited, forcing a restart to the whole permitting process.

You might be able to reach someone at the Sierra Club or Greenpeace in their national hq for some fast "emergency" advice as to how to use that kind of monkeywrench.

But as to dropping an anchor anywhere, without limit? No, you won't be able to challenge or change the whole basis behind federal navigable waterway laws. Although a clever sailor could install a whole set of thrusters and a GPOS and actively "hover" without needing to anchor at all. They'd just LOVE that, you'd be underway and actively navigating the vessel, in full conformance with the laws. (VBG)

The premit notice

http://www.sac.usace.army.mil/Portal...dification.pdf
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The laws regarding who and how you can drop your hook in any navigable waterways are fairly old, longstanding, and undisputed. You can drop it, incidental to the purposes of navigation, but if you're not "passing through" you're no longer navigating,. (VBG)
really? that's not how the states attorney of Florida defines vessels in navigation.
the states attorney of Florida says vessels at anchor ARE in navigation.
There is no. time limit.
So, how do you define "passing through "
Would a week be acceptable? what about a month,2 months, 3?
Who decides?
it's not an easy question to answer.
the answer I favor is,if you are abiding the laws already in effect you anchor as long as you want.
a week,a year, a decade.
does your boat sail or motor? registered? anchor lite,mad,life jacket, etc.
then what's the REAL reason you object to unfettered anchorage?
I'm. not interested in "what if" scare scenarios only things that did happen.
in Florida if your boat sinks or washes ashore it's a misdemeanor if you don't /can't or choose not to address it.this law is not new and when utilized works well, when the laws already in effect are not enforced,you have problems.
let's encourage law enforcement to enforce the current laws we pay them to already.
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I'm. not interested in "what if" scare scenarios only things that did happen.
in Florida if your boat sinks or washes ashore it's a misdemeanor if you don't /can't or choose not to address it.this law is not new and when utilized works well, when the laws already in effect are not enforced,you have problems.
let's encourage law enforcement to enforce the current laws we pay them to already.
The problem is that so many laws are not enforced, and when they are enforced, they are enforced to suit those who seem to be in power at the time. This is all part of the "Some animals are more equal than others" mind set that seems to be infesting this country of late. Perhaps a requirement that prior laws be repealed when the new law takes effect would reduce the clutter and impenetrable morass of conflicting regulation.

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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

joe, without playing sealawyer, what the State of Florida thinks can be meaningless. Federal waterway, federal law, federal courts, and if anyone disagrees, including the States, they can go argue with the Feds. You know who usually wins, it just takes some time before all the appeals get thrown out.

Now what the status of bottomland is in Florida may be something else again, not all bottomland is private, federal, public, or any other specific property. That varies too, and that's also all settled long under the laws. Florida? As the fairly new Archbishop of Miami said at his first public speech, "It is so nice to be so close to the continental United States"[sic]. Florida, coming from Spain and only a recent and less than totally enthusiastic member of the Union, has it's own peculiar ways and if they keep selling swampland to dumb Yankees, sooner of later they'll pay the piper as those Yankees are accustomed to voting. Or at least, to getting a good price for their votes. Hell, you know, these damned Yankees are actually raising taxes in an attempt to PAVE the streets, and forcing the young ones into SCHOOLS when they could be out working the fields. And they've made so much competition for housing, why, you can't hire maids or gardeners anymore unless you actually pay them!

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I'm confused by what I thought was a discussion of converting an anchorage to a mooring field, when the permit calls only for expanding an existing mooring field. That alone could force a postponement, if there was in fact no prior mooring field but the city was asking for a non-existent field to be expanded??
There's also mention of fish and shrimp, one might ask the USACE if the environmental impact study considered what the toxic copper bottom paint from 49 moored vessels was going to do to them. If that wasn't considered...it could boomerang and restrict the field size, or a mooring field could be denied completely. You need to find regular players in this game, and invite them to join in.
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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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you may not recognize Florida state authority on the water, but the FWC,and most county sherrif's do!
I think the red's give the states certain rights as well or how else would the state be able to pass laws like SS327.2 ?
I recognize the bottom owner issues.
the state of Florida cedes control to the municipalities of liveaboards but not vessels in navigation (non liveaboards).
don't know about SC.
Georgia regulates anchoring as well as live aboards.
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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

Here is the news after last nights work session.

Beaufort officials consider increasing initial phase of mooring field | Business | The Island Packet

The Contract held by Rick Griffin and the fact that he is willing to put his own money in to sweeten the pot, looks to be the issue pushing this threw.
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