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View Poll Results: Who agrees, City maintained mooring fields are better than no oversight?
Agree City forced and maintained 6 15.00%
Disagree Open to freely anchor at will. 13 32.50%
State should address the real problem. Abandoned boats 18 45.00%
City owned mooring field and privately run by contract 3 7.50%
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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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The problem for the city is anchored boats that become derelict are a nuisance and occupy prime space for transients.
This is the element of mooring fields I don't understand. Why not deal with derelict boats directly with legislation instead of installing mooring fields, often underused, and having many unintended consequences? Unless the locals really do want to drive cruisers and other transients away...?
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Just a hunch, but I would guess that a look at the books of the mooring operations in places like Annapolis, Newport, Nantucket, Northeast Harbor, et al, might indicate a fairly profitable venture to be in operation...
I used to live in Annapolis. Completely different mentality at work. Annapolis actively tries to court boaters to come spend money in their town. Annapolis actually has free tie us space next to their downtown, first come, first served. Annapolis is first and foremost a boating community and they haven't been overrun with condos either.

They have things like water taxis that go to their moorings, but they don't send the police after you if don't use them. Guerrillas versus gorillas. Huge difference. Huge!
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This is the element of mooring fields I don't understand. Why not deal with derelict boats directly with legislation instead of installing mooring fields, often underused, and having many unintended consequences? Unless the locals really do want to drive cruisers and other transients away...?
All the more perplexing when you realize that if some derelict comes and hooks to one of those mooring balls, they have the exact same eviction and legal problem they have if he just anchors instead.


That's what me wonder if the whole "derelict boat" issue isn't just a false flag operation.
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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

I been saying it's a sham from the start. derelict boats and pumpout.false flags that the uninformed can understand.
It will be curious what happens in the next decade. still would love to see the revenue from the mooring fields. the only one's I've ever seen full are Annapolis main field and Marathon. I doubt Annapolis is full even 6 months at best 4days a week.
I know titusville,FL. and St.Augustine, FL.are almost empty most of the time.
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A lot of these grants have no provision for maintenance of the facilities the local governments are paid to build. It's a continuing problem where I live. We were flooded with easy money for cities and counties to buy stuff after Katrina. But, a lot of it is falling apart because like person who buys a nicer yacht than they can afford, using grandma's inheritance, they can't afford to keep them up.

I bet the same thing happens on the mooring balls. As the lines get old and break, and mooring balls float off, no one will replace them. Because, there will be no funding budgeted for it.
What's the story with lawsuits when one of these for-fee moorings breaks and a boat goes up on the rocks or something even worse happens?

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Re: Beaufort South Carolina no longer a free anchor

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All the more perplexing when you realize that if some derelict comes and hooks to one of those mooring balls, they have the exact same eviction and legal problem they have if he just anchors instead.


That's what me wonder if the whole "derelict boat" issue isn't just a false flag operation.
Good question.



20-30 years ago nobody would blink an eye to see any boat sitting out on the hook; regardless of condition. Standards have changed. It is no longer acceptable to have nothing but a pristine yacht sitting out front.

Most of the reason for this is that the Nor'easter's have moved south along the eastern seaboard and brought their politics with them. They want the manicured yard, fresh paint and paved driveway; and, this attitude has moved to the waterfront as well. Check the real estate prices and who lives there.
The sad part is why they left! They moved south to get away from taxes and regulation. They dream of the old south but want what they had up north. This is the said transformation of the south. There are few places left where this transformation has not taken hold.



Unfortunately; we can gripe all we want, it will most likely change nothing.

If they really want to bring in more revenue. Make it free with a 2 or 3 night max stay, then pay after that. This would be good for local businesses.
I transit the NYS canal quite a bit. Every town has FREE docking (48 hr stay or more) with cheap electric ($5) and cheap($2) or free pumpouts. Sometimes it's hard to find a spot. They flip side of this it has ruined some marinas. During the summer months people have one thing on there mind. GO party. The villages are making money.
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I grew up on the NYS canal and remember well when there was no fee,open till10pm. and free tie up every where you wanted. now you pay an annual pass and they have invested millions in upland facilities.
I know of no Marina's closing due to it.
even at $75 a season, the NYS canal is incredible.
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What's the story with lawsuits when one of these for-fee moorings breaks and a boat goes up on the rocks or something even worse happens?

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I'm no lawyer, but according to the agreement you'll sign with St Augustine, sounds like a pretty ironclad release of responisibility:

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I grew up on the NYS canal and remember well when there was no fee,open till10pm. and free tie up every where you wanted. now you pay an annual pass and they have invested millions in upland facilities.
I know of no Marina's closing due to it.
even at $75 a season, the NYS canal is incredible.
Agreed, it is a bargain.
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I grew up on the NYS canal and remember well when there was no fee,open till10pm. and free tie up every where you wanted. now you pay an annual pass and they have invested millions in upland facilities.
I know of no Marina's closing due to it.
even at $75 a season, the NYS canal is incredible.
My absolute favourite cruising ground. We spent all of last August in there for the $100 pass. Free docking at dozens of small towns, free wifi, some free laundry facilities, free power, free water some amazing small town museums, the wineries on the Finger Lakes, car racing at Watkins Glen, bridge tenders, harbour masters and lock tenders who actually want and welcome cruisers.

Take a look at these photos Cruising the NY State Canal System, of hundreds of yards of empty dock walls. We often docked by ourselves or only one or two other boats.
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