How not to make a tricky harbor approach... - SailNet Community
 82Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 170 Old 02-25-2014 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,785
Thanks: 1
Thanked 200 Times in 165 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

Posted on another forum, surprised it hasn't made it here, yet... Dramatic, to say the least...

Absolutely boggles the mind, that any crew would be on deck, apparently untethered, or out of the cockpit during such an approach, with that sort of swell running... That captain is an utter fool, not to have ordered everyone off the deck, especially after hesitating and turning around during his initial approach, in a apparent effort to read the oncoming set... He is remarkably lucky, that none of his crew/passengers were killed...

Here's the harbor in question, Zumaia, Spain... Perhaps Paulo is familiar with it? Bay of Biscay tells you pretty much all you need to know...





JonEisberg is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
The Following User Says Thank You to JonEisberg For This Useful Post:
Donald_Crowhurst (02-25-2014)
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
Senior Member
 
Maine Sail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maine Coast
Posts: 5,887
Thanks: 20
Thanked 222 Times in 169 Posts
Rep Power: 16
       
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

Having been knocked flat on our ear in a storm, by surfing a cresting wave and then stuffing the bow, that is exactly how I remember self righting.

Ours may have been a tad slower, due to the small storm stay sail that was up, but still it happens way faster and way more abruptly than one would think..

That Bavaria (?) stood up and brushed herself off pretty damn quickly..... I like the spray of water being whipped by the mast head.....

Crazy stuff...
jameswilson29 likes this.

______
-Maine Sail / CS-36T


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.




Images In Posts Property of Compass Marine Inc.


Maine Sail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Narragansett Bay
Posts: 11,226
Thanks: 46
Thanked 237 Times in 222 Posts
Rep Power: 7
   
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

Hard to watch, it was so painful. Who would even sit on deck, seeing what was coming.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Jeanneau 54DS

In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair. Margaritas fix everything.
Minnewaska is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
Glad I found Sailnet
 
Bene505's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 3,818
Thanks: 14
Thanked 51 Times in 50 Posts
Rep Power: 9
   
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

Hindsight being 20/20 and the usual armchair quarterbacking rules in force...

I was surprised he didn't have the three people on the bow & midships moved to all the way back. IMHO you need the weight aft to keep the rudder in the water and you need to be pointed 100% away from the wave. He caught the wave on the side instead of on the transom. And even if he caught it on the transom, you could see how low the bow was in the water, making it's own little rudder effect. The boat would have rotated sideways and flipped anyway with all that weight forward. (More from surf kayaking than any experience like that.)

Very painful to watch.

Again, IMHO, it also shows the importance of having a Lifesling or throwing line. If the current was heading out of the inlet stronger, the swimmers would have been swept back out the inlet. As it was, someone else had to go and get them.

Regards,
Brad

.
.
Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.
.
The best minds discuss sailing (and a little bit of politics). I don't know why. It's a mystery!
.
Bene505 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
Senior Member
 
trantor12020's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Singapore
Posts: 701
Thanks: 4
Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

In situation like this, do I suppose its better to have the small powerboat rescue the MOB than using the sailboat? Which was why the sailboat didn't rescue the MOB. Right? I would expect the powerboat to throw a line and drag the MOB to calmer water before rescuing them onboard. Right?

Ken
2002 Hunter 326, SV Millennium 2
1999 Macgregor 26X, SV Millennium
trantor12020 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
The Following User Says Thank You to trantor12020 For This Useful Post:
SailRedemption (02-26-2014)
post #6 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
merit 25 solo "er"
 
christian.hess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Columbus, Ga
Posts: 4,580
Thanks: 189
Thanked 189 Times in 184 Posts
Rep Power: 2
 
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

loading the vid, but wanted to say thats where I specialized in cooking, in donostia...

took my road bike there and road all the way to getaria, where some of the best txakoli is made

anywhoo remember the coast very well, very very pictoresque and VERY dangerous...

viscaya is to be feared

Islander 36 no longer for sale...its MINE!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Planning maiden cruise for November-December 2015 to Panama Canal! The planning begins!!!
christian.hess is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
merit 25 solo "er"
 
christian.hess's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Columbus, Ga
Posts: 4,580
Thanks: 189
Thanked 189 Times in 184 Posts
Rep Power: 2
 
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Minnewaska View Post
Hard to watch, it was so painful. Who would even sit on deck, seeing what was coming.
these are normal entrances all over gipuzkoa

normal entries...saw it all the time all over the coast...now I never made it to this entrance I saw it even in la concha in donostia

now I hate armchair 2020 hindsight comments but our entrance here in el salvador where my boat is has exactly the same wave pattern....

you surf into the harbor and if you dont time it right this can happen

one thing I did not notice was a lookout towards the back...

there was absolutely no helm reaction to the wave that crashed over them...

when entering our estuary here you need hard over massive amounts of helm input...

just sayin

sad but this is really how it is there and elsewhere

the spanish coast if viscaya is impressive there are winds that pipe up all of a sudden, I forgot the name but they are like micro bursts of winds up to 100mph...

I experienced this right on the coast of san sebastian and all I could think of was holy **** what if I was on a boat out there when that hit

peace

Islander 36 no longer for sale...its MINE!
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Planning maiden cruise for November-December 2015 to Panama Canal! The planning begins!!!
christian.hess is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
Dirt Free
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,170
Thanks: 9
Thanked 33 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

So nobody gonna badmouth the stink potters ?
The harbour entrance in my avatar is where I learned to sail. No sailboats in that harbour, 40 -65' wooden powerboats.

Dirt People Scare me
boatpoker is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
Morgan 33 O.I. Perryville
 
travlineasy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 3,556
Thanks: 3
Thanked 150 Times in 133 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

I've been through some of the nastiest inlets in the U.S. but only in a powerboat - never would even consider some of them in a sailboat. Great Machapongo Inlet immediately comes to mind when I saw that. The standing wave at the end of Great Machapongo Inlet was 12 to 15 feet when the tide was screaming ebb. Punching through that with 150 HP Yamaha on a 21-foot center console powerboat put an entirely new meaning to the work FEAR! In a sailboat, it would be considered suicidal.

Gary
travlineasy is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 170 Old 02-25-2014
Senior Moment Member
 
SloopJonB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: West Vancouver B.C.
Posts: 11,610
Thanks: 60
Thanked 72 Times in 69 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: How not to make a tricky harbor approach...

I imagine he's looking for new crew at this point.

Is this the same place? Sure looks like it.
Attached Thumbnails
a.jpg   b.jpg   c.jpg   d.jpg   e.jpg  

eherlihy and Donald_Crowhurst like this.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
SloopJonB is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
The Following User Says Thank You to SloopJonB For This Useful Post:
csd0606 (02-26-2014)
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tricky reverse gear on Universal 5424 CalebD Diesel 2 05-30-2011 07:36 PM
PSC 34 Tricky Oil Dipstick MC1 Pacific Seacraft 5 08-06-2009 04:42 PM
Tricky Shaft Log Leak Repair JonG Gear & Maintenance 7 04-27-2009 09:00 PM
Tricky day @ $$$ The Daily Sail $$$ NewsReader News Feeds 0 04-13-2006 06:18 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome