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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

That was a great read . I wish I had read it 20yrs. ago . For a while I just dropped the Yankee instead of reefing the main first , and yes I got crazy weather helm ! Thanks Bob now I have to go buy a new Yankee cut to BP specs.
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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

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"or the worst one, “cutter rigged ketch”. We already have all the terms we need to describe rigs that have been around for 200 years."
if you quote something, do not rip it out of its context...
you missed that part just before your quote:
"I’ll tell you what annoys me a wee bit. I hate those cute names like “slutter” and “cutter rigged sloop” ...

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"I’ll tell you what annoys me a wee bit. I hate those cute names like “slutter” and “cutter rigged sloop" or the worst one, “cutter rigged ketch”. We already have all the terms we need to describe rigs that have been around for 200 years."
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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

Hey Bob , in that article you said after the Westsail 32 you designed the Valiant 40 ,did you not mean the Westsail 39 ?
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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

Okay, so cutter, sloop and slutter are grey. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really starting to like the term slutter. Although, I think it has nothing to do with sail plan at all.
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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

Maybe get Walt Schultz here to talk about slutters? Thought he was the one to use the term first and put them on Shannons.
Have mast head sloop with 130,solent, and separate detachable stay for nice orange storm jib. Three stays for three head sails. Still think of it as a masthead sloop. Have hydraulic backstay but doesn't do much but get rid of headstay sag. Think main advantage for cruiser of fractional rig is you can really change shape of mast.
Think sloop mast forward of station four. Think cutter mast at station four or aft. Ketch mizzen in front of rudder post and >20% of sailplan. Yawl mizzen behind rudder post. Schooner foresail smaller or equal to mainsail. Think headsails in modern rigs are not major determinants as you can add and subtract but it's hard to move a mast. Then again I may have my head up my butt.
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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

A ketch with a mizzen that is the same hight and area of the main is almost a schooner, or a sketch.
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Thought a sketch was a ketch with a genny and solent up forward ????

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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

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A ketch with a mizzen that is the same hight and area of the main is almost a schooner, or a sketch.
It IS a schooner - an equal masted schooner. A ketch, by definition, has the mizzen mast smaller than the main mast (and ahead of the rudder post).

Some of the old time "ship" sized schooners had up to seven equal masts.

I like the term Slutter simply because of the pejorative connotations it implies - it's just a bit of fun. The one that really grates on me is "cutter ketch" instead of double headsail ketch.

I'm a natural born spelling Nazi but I think this stuff transcends that. Nautical, aviation, engineering lingo - anything where clarity and certainty of speech can save or cost lives - should be used correctly and corruptions, no matter how trivial, should be condemned.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Re: What's a cutter rigged ketch? And a slutter?

Thank you Bob Perry!
"I hate those cute names like “slutter” and “cutter rigged sloop” or the worst one, “cutter rigged ketch”. We already have all the terms we need to describe rigs that have been around for 200 years. A sloop is a sloop. If someone chooses to add a staysail it’s still a sloop."
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We have a friend who insists calling his boat (sister ship to ours) a cutter rigged ketch. It drives me crazy.
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