Ice on Lake Superior in June - SailNet Community
 74Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 175 Old 03-21-2014 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Minnesail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,238
Thanks: 140
Thanked 45 Times in 44 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Ice on Lake Superior in June

Shipping is due to start on Lake Superior tomorrow. Right now an ice breaker is clearing Duluth harbor of ice that is five-feet thick in places.

The captain of the ice-breaking tug said "Last year we were breaking ice on the 4th of May. This year will be worse. There's a lot of slips that will have to be opened up later in the season. I'm sure we' ll have ice with us way into June."

I was hoping to charter over Memorial Day weekend.... Sailing through ice, that would be a first for me!

As Duluth's icebreakers usher in spring, cargo shippers are anxious to begin work
jimgo likes this.

Catalina 22
on a starboard tack
Minnesail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 175 Old 03-21-2014
Asleep at the wheel
 
jimgo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 3,014
Thanks: 71
Thanked 117 Times in 115 Posts
Rep Power: 4
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

Rent an ice boat over Memorial Day. Problem solved.
Minnesail likes this.

- Jim
Home: Western Philly 'burbs
1980 Allmand 31
1975 Albacore 15


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jimgo is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 175 Old 03-21-2014
Senior Member
 
MikeOReilly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario
Posts: 1,516
Thanks: 157
Thanked 70 Times in 61 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

Yup ... our season is going to be very slow getting started this year.




Why go fast, when you can go slow.
MikeOReilly is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 175 Old 03-21-2014
Captain Obvious
 
Sal Paradise's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: New York
Posts: 892
Thanks: 16
Thanked 32 Times in 32 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

Why Is Great Lakes Ice Nearing a Record High, While Arctic Ice Hits a Record Low? - weather.com

excerpt -

From accuweather

research suggests that as the Arctic gets warmer, and the temperature difference between the North Pole and the equator gets smaller, the jet stream's west-to-east winds get weaker. "As those winds get weaker, the jet stream tends to take a wavier path, more northward and southward around the Northern Hemisphere," she explained in a conference call last week.

Why is this important? Because when it moves more in a north-south direction, the jet stream's waves get bigger and slower, she added. "And so the weather they create also moves more slowly, and it tends to feel like on the surface that we’re in a pattern that just seems to get stuck."

This would seem to explain why weather events like this year's persistent cold spells across the eastern U.S. have lasted so long. Though Francis is careful to add that "we can't say the rapidly warming Arctic caused this pattern this year," she says it's "a great example of the kind of pattern we can expect to see happen more often as the globe, and the Arctic in particular, continue to warm."



I have written on a couple of posts my own opinion that the Jet Stream is our problem , but, as some here have said, I am the "type of person who is inclined to believe it anyway"

This is also an informative historical study of ice on the Great Lakes. Cut to the chase, they have only frozen over maybe twice since 1900.

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/pubs/fullt...ication_detail

Sal Paradise

Senior Researcher - Dunning Kruger

Last edited by Sal Paradise; 03-21-2014 at 11:00 AM.
Sal Paradise is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 175 Old 03-21-2014
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,789
Thanks: 5
Thanked 94 Times in 82 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

I went a canoe trip in early May a number of years ago north or Toronto when the the ice was still in a bit on one lake. It was a warm day 20C and the ice was like crystal with all sorts of holes in it. When we got to where the ice piled up it was suddenly very cool, When we got through the ice it warmed up a lot. Fabulous day.
MikeOReilly, nodders and Minnesail like this.

Heading back to Lake Ontario for this summer. Ainia is back in North America for the first time since 2010. Currently in Long Island Sound.
killarney_sailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 175 Old 03-21-2014
Sea Sprite 23 #110 (20)
 
mad_machine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Atlantic City, NJ
Posts: 3,217
Thanks: 5
Thanked 69 Times in 60 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

not this crap again... take it to the gutter would you

Art Haberland
__________________

In the end all that matters is how fully you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things that did not belong to you -Buddha

__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
mad_machine is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 175 Old 03-21-2014 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Minnesail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Posts: 1,238
Thanks: 140
Thanked 45 Times in 44 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

Sigh....


Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas H View Post
In the 1970s according to our government's best intelligence, the earth was heading into a new Ice Age, and ice caps would probably expand for hundreds of years.
Time and Newsweek ran cover stories about global cooling, but Time and Newsweek are popular media, not scientific journals. The popular media is generally a bad place to get your science information.

Climate science was in its infancy, but even then the consensus was that the planet would warm.

What were climate scientists predicting in the 1970s?
"However, these are media articles, not scientific studies. A survey of peer reviewed scientific papers from 1965 to 1979 show that few papers predicted global cooling (7 in total). Significantly more papers (42 in total) predicted global warming (Peterson 2008). The large majority of climate research in the 1970s predicted the Earth would warm as a consequence of CO2. Rather than 1970s scientists predicting cooling, the opposite is the case."



Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas H View Post
Remember when Al Gore said the global ice caps would be melted by 2012?
No I don't remember that. Could you post a link?




Anyway. Yes, huge ice on Superior this year and I still have two feet of snow in my garden. On the other hand two years ago it was 80F on St. Patrick's Day and we were grilling in the backyard.

I sent an email to the charter company asking them if they think they'll have the boats in and be operational on Memorial Day Weekend. Fingers crossed!
Sal Paradise likes this.

Catalina 22
on a starboard tack
Minnesail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 175 Old 03-21-2014
Dirt Free
 
boatpoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Toronto
Posts: 1,154
Thanks: 9
Thanked 31 Times in 30 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

The ice ages were obviously a result of over population and the warming trend that once turned southern Ontario into a tropical jungle were obviously caused by the aboriginal coal fired generating plants.
Seaduction likes this.

Dirt People Scare me
boatpoker is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 175 Old 03-21-2014
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 12
Thanks: 5
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

Minnesail. Climate change denialists aside......... I've been sailing out of the western end of Lake Superior for over 20 years and have seen ice on the lake Memorial Day only once, maybe this will be the second one. But, the lake is ALWAYS cold that weekend. Nonetheless, those of use that appreciate the beauty of the lake and landscape even with a few ice floes about, still love to get out there. Temperature inversions at time of year can provide some amazing mirages. However, Palm trees won't be the issue. Take a comfy sleeping bag.

The lake has clearly been increasing in ice-free days over the last several decades. As climate models have suggested, the amplitude of annual temperature swings is increasing over the lakes region, average Lake Superior temps are steadily increasing but the variance around that that increase has been madding for local sailors. A few years ago I launched our boat near the first of April, as you've noted, this won't be one of those years. Nonetheless, it's one of the most amazing cruising grounds in North America and worth the sufferage of these crappy winters. (At least that is what I keep telling myself).
MikeOReilly and Minnesail like this.
crichard is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 175 Old 03-22-2014
Senior Member
 
Lake Superior Sailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Eagle River Wi.
Posts: 947
Thanks: 0
Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
Rep Power: 4
 
Re: Ice on Lake Superior in June

Ice or not as soon as the paint dried I'm putting in! I got a lot of sailing I want to do.....Dale
bljones likes this.

Reluctant Lady
Cal 28, 1967
Lake Superior
Where God got it done!
Lake Superior Sailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hello from Lake Superior Tree444 Introduce Yourself 4 07-30-2013 05:15 PM
Lake Superior sailor MikeOReilly Introduce Yourself 1 04-12-2010 09:44 AM
Hello from Lake Superior corny Introduce Yourself 1 06-17-2009 03:22 PM
Lake Superior Blombo Boat Review and Purchase Forum 12 02-11-2005 08:09 PM
Anyone Here on Lake Superior? themainerock General Discussion (sailing related) 2 04-10-2003 08:05 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome