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Cebu77 04-04-2014 02:54 PM

Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
Him is it possible to sail Darwin to philippines ,thru indonesia with out stopping? Will I need to stop in indonesia customs....? Thx

killarney_sailor 04-04-2014 03:30 PM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
I guess it would be possible legally, but I am not sure why you would not want to stop (other than hassles getting a CAIT which apparently are getting less). We really enjoyed our time in Indonesia. Fascinating country and very nice people.

obelisk 04-05-2014 04:36 AM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
You can sail through Indo without stopping and without clearing customs provided you follow these rules:

From noonsite

"If wishing to sail through the Indonesian island WITHOUT stopping, then the complications of obtaining a CAIT can be avoided by using the International Archipelagic Sea Lane through Indonesian waters. This allows non-stop "innocent" passage though the, archipelago within 20 nm of an arbitrary centre line and not within 12 nm of any Indonesian coastline. Sailing Directions such as those produced by the U.K.'s Admiralty publications give the details."

I have just been dealing with getting my Indonesian CAIT and man, what a process!

killarney_sailor 04-05-2014 08:32 AM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
The complications are the reason we went with the rally from Darwin (we are not rally folks generally). They arrange all the paperwork. The CAIT is the prettiest piece of bureaucratic paperwork I have seen with fancy stamps from immigration, customs, the navy, Miss Indonesia (OK, I made that one up).

When we arrived in Kupang a boat came out from the shore and three of the nicest officials you will ever want to meet checked us in, with fairly normal amount of paperwork (You get the CAIT and other paperwork in Darwin). One of the officials even wanted a photo of us and her on the boat that another official took with her phone. They then asked us to go to a particular building ashore in the next day.

We thought we were checked into the country already, but no. In the building there were 20! officials busily stamping things and filling out forms. You went from desk to desk (immigration to health to port captain) handing out copies of boat regn, crew lists, passport photocopies (you do have many with you of course). Also, you positively need a boat stamp, if you don't have one they ask you to get one on the main street of town (about a dollar for the stamp and a dollar for the ink pad). Then you stamp all the forms beside every place you sign or initial. One American guy had one of those embosser stamps that lawyers use (he was a dentist so go figure). He was really popular as all the officials came over to see and feel the stamp. I assume if you are cruising independently you would have to find all of the various offices to do this stuff. I could imagine a good day plus to work it out (English is not commonly spoken). When we left Indonesia in Bali it took me the best part of a day to do the check out. This included an official in one office putting me on the back of his motorcycle to take me to another office that was a few km away and then waiting around to drive me to the next office on my list.

Everyone in the country was as friendly and accommodating as possible, but the bureaucracy boggle the mind. I get a sense that in many developing countries they are graduating a lot of people from college programs and that there are not enough jobs for all these folks so they end up working as bureaucrats in government. We saw it everywhere from Panama to Indonesia to South Africa. In Vanuatu we filled in a form that was 7 or 8 pages long. When we left we filled out the same form - the only difference was a checkbox at the top of the page for Incoming and Outgoing. They had so many forms that all their filing cabinets were full and they had piles of overflowing boxes on the floor. Just the way it is.

obelisk 04-05-2014 09:38 AM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by killarney_sailor (Post 1706186)
In Vanuatu we filled in a form that was 7 or 8 pages long. When we left we filled out the same form - the only difference was a checkbox at the top of the page for Incoming and Outgoing. They had so many forms that all their filing cabinets were full and they had piles of overflowing boxes on the floor. Just the way it is.

Ha, I had the same experience in Vanuatu! In a twisted sort of way, I like the challenge of dealing with the bureaucracy, so long as the end result is that I get to cruise their country. In Brazil, I decided to disregard all advice and handled all the formalities myself, in Salvador and speaking no portugese. That one took me the better part of two days but I did get to see a ton of the city on my way back and forth between offices...

I am definitely not a rally person and I will be heading back to Vanuatu > Solomons > PNG before Indo, so Darwin is really out of the question

christian.hess 04-05-2014 10:59 AM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
Stamps! they make officials pee their pants out of happiness! we had one ofr our boat

killarney_sailor 04-05-2014 12:49 PM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
In Indonesia, the attitude to stamps was more like, 'You don't have a boat stamp? How can you cruise?"

We heard of people arranging CAITs outside of the rally, but with an agent.

obelisk 04-05-2014 04:04 PM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
What type of information do they want on the stamp? I have one but I'm not sure if it is appropriately complete, information-wise. it has s/v Obelisk, my name and owner/skipper on it. Do they want documentation number, hailing port, etc?

This will be the first place I have really used it officially.

killarney_sailor 04-05-2014 04:12 PM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
I don't think they much care what is on the stamp, just that you have one so it makes the document look more official.

aeventyr60 04-06-2014 12:54 AM

Re: Darwin to philippines (indonesia)
 
We had ours made in Kupang, about 3 bucks. The officials love it! Fun to be banging away with your own stamp for a change. I think we pretty much wore out the ink pad over the next three months.


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