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how many more years before sailing is turned into another " instant " vacation option for anyone with a credit card?
I met a couple in Waterford,NY heading south on a new cat,they were new to traveling by sail, afraid to anchor and heading to the Bahamas,with a $50000 budget for the trip.
We saw them all along the coast as we made south. They at the marina dock every night, us going in and outside and anchoring.
A year later they had a website and were giving lectures on "how to cruise by sail "for $100 dollars a seat.
Based on their "experience " yea,ok.
I quit trying to introduce new people to sailing, too many unintended consequences.
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Last year when I was in Annapolis I was quite impressed by how well the harbor is organized and how they've arranged the moorings and dockage to accommodate sailors. It was quite crowded and a bit touristy on land but that's a different issue. The streets in these tourist harbors are almost identical with their trinket shops and bars.

It's a common theme that fishermen and working people are forced out of places like this. It happened in Port Jefferson on LI. Back 30 years ago when we came in after working all day, wet and muddy from digging clams or hauling traps, the local restaurants were glad to take our $100 bills. It was a great time that I wouldn't trade for anything. But that world slowly came to an end as the tourist industry and the trinket shops took over and property values went through the roof. PJ became just another tourist trap.
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how many more years before sailing is turned into another " instant " vacation option for anyone with a credit card?
I met a couple in Waterford,NY heading south on a new cat,they were new to traveling by sail, afraid to anchor and heading to the Bahamas,with a $50000 budget for the trip.
We saw them all along the coast as we made south. They at the marina dock every night, us going in and outside and anchoring.
A year later they had a website and were giving lectures on "how to cruise by sail "for $100 dollars a seat.
Based on their "experience " yea,ok.
I quit trying to introduce new people to sailing, too many unintended consequences.
at present rate, sailing will be so commercialized and accessible that anyone with a credit card can participate. at that time it will be so restricted and regulated that it will be like RVing as apposed to tent camping.
everyone will be afraid to sail to and from the dock, you'll need a license and insurance and you'll only be allowed to pay for a dock or mooring ball,as anchoring will be outlawed for your safety and environment concerns.
Oh,wait it's already happening.
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tell me the difference between a busy anchorage and a mooring field, with respect to your 'herding instinct' assertion, please?
Why does there have to be a difference?
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Why does there have to be a difference?
If there is no difference, then who cares if a municipality legislates a nearby anchoring area into a mooring field? Is it a bad thing to a: fit more boats into a given area; b: if maintained, the ground tackle is probably better secured than a lot of the hack-job anchoring; c: have some modicum of control over derelicts; d:ensure pumpouts. There are other considerations, I offer these examples.
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If there is no difference, then who cares if a municipality legislates a nearby anchoring area into a mooring field? Is it a bad thing to a: fit more boats into a given area; b: if maintained, the ground tackle is probably better secured than a lot of the hack-job anchoring; c: have some modicum of control over derelicts; d:ensure pumpouts. There are other considerations, I offer these examples.
Anchoring is free. Pretty simple.

If they want to put in free moorings in the spirit of fitting more boats, that'd be different.

But they are never free. The contract at Boot Key is many times longer than my home marina contract.

Many places offer free pumpouts for anchor outs.

"Control", now you're in the ballpark.

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If there is no difference, then who cares if a municipality legislates a nearby anchoring area into a mooring field? Is it a bad thing to a: fit more boats into a given area; b: if maintained, the ground tackle is probably better secured than a lot of the hack-job anchoring; c: have some modicum of control over derelicts; d:ensure pumpouts. There are other considerations, I offer these examples.
Because, it's opening the door. And, I don't see it stopping after that. I don't want to have to anchor in a mooring field, lined up like cars in a parking lot. That's not what makes me happy.

How do you make changes that are too big to be successfully made at once? Incrementally. Look at the history of gambling in my state.
1) First, it was only on boats that left the territorial United States. How could anyone argue with that? We don't want legalized land gambling and anyone who says we do is lying.
2) Then, it was boats that went three miles off shore, but not past 12 miles (for safety you see). Really, what does that hurt? It's not like we want to leave them tied up to the dock while we gamble.
3)Then, it was boats, that never left the dock when the weather was bad.(because, at this point, what does it hurt? That's all we want, no more.)
4) You know, there is really no reason to leave the docks at al. What's the difference? They are still boats. It's not like they are on land.
5) Then, it's silly to have real boats. What would it hurt to just have barges and pretend they are boats. Hurricanes? No, a hurricane won't destroy them, that's just stupid to even say.
6) Oh, my God. A hurricane just destroyed all of the barges. We need to put the casinos on land now, or you can kiss all those jobs and taxes good bye.

So now, we have land based gambling, something that wouldn't have come within a gnat's ass of passing if it had been presented as the ultimate goal in the first place. See how that works? I'm not saying I care that we have casinos, I'm saying it was dishonest the way they were put here.

Seeing stuff like that makes me a little cynical about people's motives, and baby steps, I guess.

And, no, I don't believe any of this has one damn thing to do with derelict boats. The worst thing about the job I held for most of my life, was learning just how large a segment of the population can lie, as easily as they breathe.
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So you all who say that anyone should be able to anchor for free, anywhere, are also ok with people parking their RV/campers/tents for free, anywhere, right?
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So you all who say that anyone should be able to anchor for free, anywhere, are also ok with people parking their RV/campers/tents for free, anywhere, right?
I'm not familiar with how Admiralty law works with RV's and campers.

And, that's the issue here. You have a bunch of landowners and real estate brokers, who are trying to figure out how to circumvent hundreds of years old Admiralty Law, and they have a s**tload of money to do it with.

And, in the end, they will probably win, because when it comes to politics, the big money always does.

That doesn't mean we have to like it (and besides, I guess there is always the Bahamas and Caribbean and sailing past Florida like we do Cuba and Haiti now).
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don't forget about the 75' stand off in Annapolis. nice,welcome to Annapolis, will that be cash or credit?
A few of the old watermen I've met tell of a time when they were welcomed in Annapolis.
Now, they're not allowed.
That's the champ.
Yes, I remember the oyster boats docked in the winter in the mid 1980's, it was nice to walk the docks and see them. I would prefer to look at the oyster boats and crabbers than a lot of the trash docked there now.
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