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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

Good luck.

If I made one now, I'm not sure which way I would go. The one I have works well, but in truth, once the sail is tied up, the lazy jacks are in the way of hoisting. If they were brought to the mast and tied off, you wouldn't need a special cover and they would be out of the way. The downside would be slapping against the mast. I use bungees to keep my halyards off, so I would just add the jack lines.

I'm working on this now, trying different things. I just added a longer jack line so I can play around with it.

But I do like the clean look now.

I'll let you know.

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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

yeah I could extended the jacks but they are a weird braid and extending them would require a crappy knot...well probably not a big issue

my lazy jacks are actually continuos

is this true of yours and most?

i.e there are 4 sheaves in total...when you pull them up taught into the triangles they have a stopper where you cant pull anymore or else you break the second set of lines

or are there jack systems that use independent lines for each point on the boom?

honestly I guess its not that bad to tie them to the mast when not in use...and make the simplest and cheapest cover possible

I am on a budget big time with all the other jobs being done on the boat
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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

My line is continuous. It starts tied to an eye on the forward, starboard side of the boom. Up to the block, which is suspended from a length of stainless wire. Down to an eye under the aft section of the boom, up to the port side block, down to a block mounted on the boom, and dead ends on a cleat. I can pull the lines to the mast easily or adjust the tension.

I can't think of a simpler set up.

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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

I forgot mine is 2 sheaves per side...so you can adjust each side...not one conitinuos sorry

yeah it really is a simple setup

I have never needed or wanted them but Im not arguing with it since they are already installed plus I can see it helping when the wife is on board since she is new to sailing
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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

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If I made one now, I'm not sure which way I would go. The one I have works well, but in truth, once the sail is tied up, the lazy jacks are in the way of hoisting. If they were brought to the mast and tied off, you wouldn't need a special cover and they would be out of the way. The downside would be slapping against the mast. I use bungees to keep my halyards off, so I would just add the jack lines.

I'm working on this now, trying different things. I just added a longer jack line so I can play around with it.
For anyone with retractable jacks, I suggest leading them to the spreaders, perhaps 12-18 inches outboard of the mast... This has the advantage of eliminating the mast slap issue, and makes the hoist much easier, lessening the chance of a batten hanging up if you're hoisting the main with the jacks still in place...

Few other rigging arrangements seem to be gotten wrong more consistently on boats I've delivered, than freakin' lazy jacks :-) It's not exactly rocket science to figure out an setup that works, after all, but I'm baffled how some people live with some of the half-a$$ed arrangements I've seen...

I also like having them made from Amsteel... You can go with a very light line, virtually eliminate any potential chafe issues, and no need to go with turning blocks and some of the other needless crap many setups employ...

Longer booms with low aspect mains obviously present more of a challenge, but with my single spreader rig and high aspect main, taking the turning block for a retractable system outboard on the spreaders works very nicely, for me...
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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

how bout some pics jon or it doesnt count

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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

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For anyone with retractable jacks, I suggest leading them to the spreaders, perhaps 12-18 inches outboard of the mast... This has the advantage of eliminating the mast slap issue, and makes the hoist much easier, lessening the chance of a batten hanging up if you're hoisting the main with the jacks still in place...
This makes a great deal of sense to me.

Is there a downside? I have a lazy jack kit (Christmas present) that I'll be installing this weekend or next. The instructions lead it to the mast, but the spreaders sounds like a much better idea.
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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

mine are extended from the mast a bit but not as far out as being on the spreaders

Ill take a pic next time

more pics the better guys

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Re: pics of sail covers made for lazy jack systems?

Jon,

Excellent points. Great idea to eliminate the slap and batten hang up.

The PO installed mine and I was tempted to just remove it. I single hand a lot, so I figured I give them a shot. My Tartan 27 has a long boom, low aspect, and the two legs of the jacks don't quite cut it. I think I have to move both boom attachment points aft 18 inches or so. Of course, this would not work with that very nice cover he had made!

I'll play around with it this season.

And yes, Christian, I'll post pics of any changes.

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This makes a great deal of sense to me.

Is there a downside? I have a lazy jack kit (Christmas present) that I'll be installing this weekend or next. The instructions lead it to the mast, but the spreaders sounds like a much better idea.
No real downsides that I can see. The only thing you have to make sure of, is that the blocks on underside of the spreaders will be mounted securely. My spreaders are aluminum, so drilling and tapping for the eyestraps has been sufficient so far, but for anyone with a thin wall aluminum or wood, thru-bolting would probably be a better way to go. Mounting cheek blocks on the mast is obviously more secure, as the load will be in shear, but in theory the loads that lazy jacks will see should be pretty minimal, anyway...

I suppose the one thing you'd want to be aware of, is if you eased the boom out fully for sailing DDW with the lazy jacks still deployed and tensioned. The one led to the spreader on the opposite side to the boom might become more taut than you'd want, though I'm not sure why anyone would do that anyway, seems you'd already have retracted them by that point. But that could certainly be a concern for anyone going with a fixed lazy jack setup led to the spreaders instead of the mast...

Christian, I'll see what I can do about a pic, but it might be awhile, much of my running rigging is still off the boat for the winter...
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