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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

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The best part about circumnavigating is afterwards. You don't feel any different but other sailors actually listen to your opinion (except on forums):

"Hey! you're anchored too close!"
"No, I'm not. I've Circumnavigated!"
"So what, now you are just another production boat owner who doesn't know how to anchor"




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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

Unless the person has FU money, enough to buy themselves a rig and setoff in a month, the time involved in putting together an ATW trip is a buffer - and it's time enough to sober-up and appreciate what they're trying to do. In which case, if it starts with a dream, so be it.

The few things worth a crap that I've accomplished in life, all financially and physically risky, all started with a dream. This world's so screwed-up, if I wasn't able to dream, I'd of checked-out long long ago.

I look back on the threads I've posted on this site over the past few years - it's apparent I was very green, and maybe a do nothing dreamer. I'm still green, but now I'm doing it. From 3 years ago to now - the knowledge and advice I've received on this site helped me identify and get the perfect little pocket cruiser for my goals.

Christ, I got personal advice from gifted guys like Bob Perry & CharlieCobra on this site through IMs. Via the internet, I got advice from a now elderly naval architect in Sweden, that worked with the chief naval architect to design my boat 40 years ago. In what other world would I have been able to friggin' talk to these guys?

When I first bought my boat, I went out a few times - and said, 'Yep, I know this from my youth, a little more time, and I can do this', I brought it back home (live a 1/4 mile from the harbor), got a copy of This Old Boat, and stripped everything for a total refit inside and out. I know exactly what I want to do long term, and am fitting it for just that. When I go out again in 6 months, I'll know every single stinking nut, bolt, & screw on that boat.

My goal, to leave our bay, take my first right, into the Bering Sea, and sail up to cross the Arctic Circle, then come back home. And, depending on the mood of the wife via sat phone calls, I may instead cross the circle, take a left, and do a suicide run at the Northern Sea Route.

...that's my dream, flame away friends.


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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

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There is a very simple reason why people don't visit the med while circumnavigating,
If you taste the food and wine around the Med you never want to leave.
It takes a serious case of itchey feat (wanderlust) to circumnavigate. Personally I seam to have a terminal case, I am only happy when I am climbing the hill to see if it is greener on the other side.
The problem with the med in what concerns a circumnavigation are two:

there are so many nice things to see an to experience that for knowing it decently you need several years.

and the med is quite nasty on winter. Not properly a problem with the temperature but it is not wise to keep cruising on winter time, except occasionally. That increases even more the time needed to know it and it deserves to be well known.
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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

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People have dreams. Not all accomplish them. Ft Lauderdale is full of boats for sale by people with big dreams that reality did not reflect.

SailNet and other fora, publications, and the yacht club bar are reasonable places to explore those dreams. The best we can do is to help more of those dreams be realized so the dreamers can come back and contribute to the next generation.

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Great point and thanks for making it a positive one that encourages new folks in a positive way.

And why are there not more threads with this as the general tone. Frankly, I am into many many sports and the associated forums that go with them. I find an interesting correlation.

There are threads like this constantly on here disparaging other peoples dreams. And, sailing is possibly a dying sport. Sad on both counts. When a new kayaker comes onto a site about whitewater and asks about class V, they aren't berated as delusional freaks. The online tone of sailing is very negative compared to other "dangerous" sports. Just some food for thought.
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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

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the med is quite nasty on winter. Not properly a problem with the temperature but it is not wise to keep cruising on winter time, except occasionally. That increases even more the time needed to know it and it deserves to be well known.
And what better reason could there be to take an apartment Barcelona, Roma Marseilles, Oslo, Stockholm .....? A couple of weeks here and then there and what do you know, it's time to go again.
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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

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There are threads like this constantly on here disparaging other peoples dreams. And, sailing is possibly a dying sport. Sad on both counts. When a new kayaker comes onto a site about whitewater and asks about class V, they aren't berated as delusional freaks. The online tone of sailing is very negative compared to other "dangerous" sports. Just some food for thought.
Actually, if you read the threads, they are not portrayed as "dreams", they are present intentions or plans, to be commenced in the near future, without any knowledge, experience or resources. Therein lies the problem.

If a novice came on the forum and wrote, "I loved reading "The Dove" by Robin Lee Graham, and I have been captivated by the romantic idea of circumnavigating ever since. While I realize I may never achieve this poetic dream and I may not have a realistic perspective on such a vast and challenging undertaking, how can I best start the journey toward possible realization at some point in the future?", that would be realistic and sane.

Instead, some retard who went for an afternoon sail with his brother-in-law on a lake yesterday, decides he loves sailing and writes how he now wants to cash in his retirement, abandon his family, and circumnavigate next week as soon as he finds the right $10K boat. Plus, would we tell him the right kind of cereal to pack for the trip?

Kayaking class V rapids would not be the appropriate analogy. Instead, it would be the equivalent to announce one's intention to paddle over Niagara falls next week, as soon as someone tells him the right canoe for the trip. (And there are plenty who will suggest different possible canoes.)

The threads do not reveal a dream, they reveal an ignorant nightmare disguised as a fantasy seeking assistance or approval.

If one is really concerned about the future of sailing, given that it is a dying activity/sport/hobby, perhaps encouraging novices to enter with a realistic approach might best ensure the continuance of sailing.

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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

I'm kind of with James on this one.

We can encourage the growth of sailing, without encouraging careless, irresponsible behavior.

In case you folks haven't been paying attention, we have been reaping the unfortunate harvest of these clueless people in the form of many unnecessary abandonments and rescues in the past couple of years. The problem has been greatly exacerbated by the media hyping up these incidents to the non-sailing public.

I reiterate to you, that if we do not police ourselves, the legislature and law enforcement, will gladly step in and police us with more laws, taxes, inspections, certifications and regulations in the name of "protecting us from ourselves".

I've been sailing for 4 years now. I read about it voraciously. I pester world cruisers with questions via email and face-to-face meetings. I'm racing everything I can get my hands on, and I STILL tell people that I don't know sh*t about sailing.

Why? Because comparatively speaking, I still don't!

Sailing is like playing piano. You can bang out "chopsticks" in a day, but you'll spend the rest of your life, perfecting the craft.

People in our "instant gratification" society, refuse to accept that, and hurl themselves upon an unforgiving sea, then blame everything and everyone except themselves, when things go pear-shaped.

I'm going to make my first, piddly, little offshore hop this summer, and I'm doing my damnedest not to become a statistic. I'm trying to be responsible.

We should expect others to do the same.
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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

I think it's for the same reason that people go to live on tropical islands. They are running from something.


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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

yeah like gougin! damn all the gougins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously this thread just got weird
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Re: Why All the Absurd Circumnavigation Threads?

Recommissioning the boat. Back and forth to Waste Marine. Each time they do not have what I need. Trips to Jamestown distributor and one to Defender as need to get it done before return to work. Seems increasingly obvious break between stuff voyagers, live aboards need v. casual coastal cruisers/daysailors is increasing. Stuff for first group increasingly expensive and hard to find. Increasingly can only get stuff via internet and shipping. PIA. No real chandleries any more.
However, other than that why is bad fewer people cruise? As long as there is enough volume to maintain the fight for harbor access and reasonable supply of yards is this really a bad thing? More room in anchorages. Fewer idiots on the water.
Recall years ago going through Cape Cod Canal. Big sport fish in front of us. Huge standing waves at exit to Buzzards Bay. Joker was launching his boat ( 50ft+) totally into the air so you could hear the engines race. Fell back and broke both rudders and running gear. Called Army Corp to get him. They said "are you taking water". He said "no". They said we'll call salvage and when your boat runs aground walk up here cause we are going to cite you. He yelled and screamed at them but had to admit he was running way too fast and was unseamanlike in behavior. Point being if there were civil, or economic or even criminal results of significant impact it might curtail the unrealistic dreamers from attempting a circumnavigation allowing for unrestricted rescue due to "acts of God" or unforeseen equipment or physical crew failures.
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