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Re: Smallest boat you can live with

You just have a different perspective on need than I do Med. To me, a boat that limits me, in any way, is more boat than I need.

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Re: Smallest boat you can live with

This is a very interesting question, as it greatly occupied my thoughts for over a year.

Before you can determine boat size, you need to determine what you want to do with it. I knew I wanted to try coastal cruising in the boat, so it would need to:
  • be inexpensive enough that I can afford to buy it
  • be tough and well built to survive a blow (think Chessie thunderstorm)
  • carry enough food and water to sustain us for at least 3 days
  • be small enough to single hand for day sailing
  • sleep at least 2, preferably 4
  • sleep people at least 6 feet tall comfortably (whatever comfortably means to you)
  • have an inboard engine (so prop stays in water in chop)
  • have enough headroom so that I can stand up straight
  • enclosed head with holding tank to last 3 people 3 days if we're careful
  • have enough storage space to hold clothing for 3 people for a week.
  • preferably sail well to weather and have a good turn of speed but this is a desire more than a requirement

My Islander 30 mostly fits the bill. It lacks enough storage so I pretty much have to live out of a duffel bag. It also has only a 25 gal water tank, but I can supplement with those 5 gal water jugs when I need to (so far, haven't needed to while sailing the Chesapeake).

I was looking for the smallest boat that would fit those categories. Originally, I was angling for something 27 or 28 feet but I didn't find one that small I could stand straight in. There were several 30 footers that did, though.

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Only you can answer what the right boat is for you. We chose the boat we have because my wife liked the boat. A 4,000 sq ft kite doesn't scare her and the boat fits our budget.

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Some recent threads about frugality, dreams vs reality, and the small bluewater boats, have me thinking about my boat choice. I forget where I first read this, but the idea of choosing the smallest boat you can live with really has driven my choices.

I like this approach b/c it's about finding the right balance between too large and too small. Too large and the boat becomes unmanageable (both physically and financially), but too small and it becomes too austere, and limits your ability to be self-sufficient.

So I'm curious -- how did you choose your current boat?
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Harmonic, I have never heard this word used in this way, could you explain it to an American. Thx.
Crook .... not well, ailing. A crook is a bad guy presumably that comes from "crook" as in bent but crook has then been adopted to describe anything a bit off.

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Crook .... not well, ailing. A crook is a bad guy presumably that comes from "crook" as in bent but crook has then been adopted to describe anything a bit off.
I knew bent was a bit off, but is he crook too?


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You just have a different perspective on need than I do Med. To me, a boat that limits me, in any way, is more boat than I need.
Naaaaw, actually I think we're on the very same page.

The comment about as much boat I can get is prefaced strongly with not wanting to be limited. A mega-yacht that doesn't limit me is an absolute fantasy, not a reality.

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I wouldn't phrase it this way. I'm happy to sail a boat that is more than I need. Heck, I'd sail a boat with a helepad! What I don't want to do is get a boat that limits what I can do in a negative way.

Too big to singlehand, too big to dock by myself, too big to approach an unknown slip in high winds, too big to pay the bill for new sails/rigging.... these are the things I don't want.

I have no idealistic need to only take what I need when it comes to boats. I'd happily take a boat so big that when she was launched, the sea level would rise... but such a craft would limit me.

I'm looking for as few limits as I can live with, balanced with as much as I can get. I guess that's the tightrope I'm walking right now....

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Crook .... not well, ailing. A crook is a bad guy presumably that comes from "crook" as in bent but crook has then been adopted to describe anything a bit off.
Thank you for explaining it, tdw.

What are you pretending not to know ?

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What's the point in that kind of comment? Whatever it might be, the comment was uncalled for.
I was just kidding. A fat guy posting repeatedly reliant 41! I don't even know what it is. I assumed he was kidding as well.....


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wind magic crook means ill his legs stopped working doctors cant figure out why real bugger as he was a real sailor.many miles under his belt.
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Only you can answer what the right boat is for you. We chose the boat we have because my wife liked the boat. A 4,000 sq ft kite doesn't scare her and the boat fits our budget.


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