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Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

The shackle that is spliced onto (no bowline) my jib halyard is not big enough to attach to the head of my new jib. The grommet is placed too far from the edge of the material and the edge of the sail up there is thick and reinforced. The shackle just can't get around it.

Is there anything wrong with putting a metal carbiner, D-ring or something like that on the head of the jib, and attach the shackle to that? The shackle is big enough for all my other headsails.

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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

One of the greatest weaknesses of carabiners as halyard shackles is their tendency to clip spontaneously to stays and ropes.

a. Just tie a bowline.
b. A soft shackle would work nicely. Smooth the edges well.
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

Don't think I can tie a bowline because the shackle is spliced on the end of my halyard and the shackle won't fit thru the grommet....

Good advice about carbiners spontaneously attaching to stays and lines. I got one that you secure closed with a screwing mechanism.

I'll have to look into soft shackles, not familiar with that.

But assuming I can get a metal attachment, ring, or carbiner that will not catch onto things its not supposed to, is there a downside to attaching a shackle to another metal part?
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

Matthew, before you buy one of those locking carabineers, take PDQ's advice and look into soft shackles. That is the perfect solution for your problem. There are members here who are riggers who can make one for you, if you'd prefer a professional one, and even with shipping it is likely to cost less than the carabineer, plus it will be better suited for your purposes.
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

So I would just leave the soft shackle on the jib, and attach the halyard shackle to it?
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

Put another bigger shackle on the other one. You won't be able to get the head as close to full hoist as before. Over the winter cut the small shackle off, and splice a bigger one on.
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

Or how about, loop of halyard thru grommet. Shackle thru loop, then pull tight...
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

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Don't think I can tie a bowline because the shackle is spliced on the end of my halyard and the shackle won't fit thru the grommet....

Good advice about carbiners spontaneously attaching to stays and lines. I got one that you secure closed with a screwing mechanism.

I'll have to look into soft shackles, not familiar with that.

But assuming I can get a metal attachment, ring, or carbiner that will not catch onto things its not supposed to, is there a downside to attaching a shackle to another metal part?
An old salt (Experienced sailor) once told me "Never put anything on the end of a sheet or halyard that you don't want slapping you in the face."

Clap a whipping on the line an inch above the splice. Cut the shackle off. Use a bowline. Problem solved.

Seriously. A metal shackle on the end of a sheet or halyard can inflict serious damage on a sailor who lets the end get away from him. The weight of that shackle in the clew of a flogging headsail could mean death or serious injury to the foredeck crew.
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

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An old salt (Experienced sailor) once told me "Never put anything on the end of a sheet or halyard that you don't want slapping you in the face."

Clap a whipping on the line an inch above the splice. Cut the shackle off. Use a bowline. Problem solved.

Seriously. A metal shackle on the end of a sheet or halyard can inflict serious damage on a sailor who lets the end get away from him. The weight of that shackle in the clew of a flogging headsail could mean death or serious injury to the foredeck crew.
Yea this is exactly what I was thinking, get rid of the shackle all together. Problem solved and potentially black eye avoided. Plus it gives you and excuse to practice making the knot.
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Re: Jib halyard shackle too small for jib's head

Ah guys (and gals) - am I missing something - he said the "head" of the jib. How is that going to hit anyone? It's up the top of the jib stay.
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