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Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

I bought sta set the non x or anything else type and they are prefectly comparable to my old lines...maybe a bit stiffer...

they are simple dacron covered lines...

the x are considered by many way stiff and a poor choice for cruising and or day sailing boats.

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Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Hi there , First IMO all you needed was StaSet . You didn't say what the line size was compared to what you just bought . If you had say 3/8 and they took you down to 5/16 that might work not so well . The one thing you did say has me thinking ( drilled a hole, put line through) you need to look at that and come up with something where the line won't touch the hole . On my boat I reduced line size from 1/2 to 7/16 and things work better, like the line fits the cleat better. And no that eye splice is not pregnant .
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Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Lomcevak, can you provide just a little more information like the various diameters, sizes (and colors too) you bought? That would help me out tremendously. First off, StaSet is double braided polyester line. It is very adequate for recreational, cruising boats (like your Macgregor 26D). StaSet X is dual core, stronger, less stretch and is used for halyards. I believe the “SC” stands for “Solid Color” and “CC” for “Contrasting Color” (But I could be wrong on this). Your boat doesn’t really need the fancy, high priced stuff like Amsteel, Kevlar, or Spectra. I imagine that the halyards (Sta Set X) are 5/16 or 3/8. And the sheets are 3/8. I wouldn’t be surprised if some former owner, shopping the remnant barrel, bought a miss-mash of cordage. Larger diameter sheets have a better “hand”, however, they are heavier and will tend to pull the clew down in light breezes and ruining your sail shape. You might be suffering a little buyer’s remorse. Don’t worry. I remember when I bought my first spectra cored jib sheets. I needed a little over 100’ at $5.35/foot. Ouch. Be happy you’re not addicted to the fancy stuff.

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Hi there , First IMO all you needed was StaSet . You didn't say what the line size was compared to what you just bought . If you had say 3/8 and they took you down to 5/16 that might work not so well . The one thing you did say has me thinking ( drilled a hole, put line through) you need to look at that and come up with something where the line won't touch the hole . On my boat I reduced line size from 1/2 to 7/16 and things work better, like the line fits the cleat better.
thats the exact same color and size got...seems just perfect for my use...

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StaSet & StaSetX both have a jacket and a core . The difference between the two is StaSet has a braided core and StaSetX does not, New England claims X has less stretch. Also X is harder to splice .
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Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

If they sold you Sta-Set for your sheets, they didn't do you any favor. Sta-Set and especially Sta-Set X tend to be too stiff and kink too easily. There are much better alternatives for sheets such as plain old Yacht Braid or Salsa (more hi-tech). These have a much better hand and run through blocks easily without binding up. No way would I use Sta-Set for a mainsheet.
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Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

I did notice that...my JIB sheet sta set kinked amazingy fast and was a nuissance to coil and stow...

however they are new and have not been eased on yet...so I will find out for sure...

the west marine store only had this and not any samson line...which is what I wanted originally based on reviews.

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Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

Honestly I think your first mistake was to rush out and replace all your running rigging after only having sailed the boat twice. I understand the appeal of having all shiny new colorful lines, but I think you would have been better off waiting until you got to know the boat better. That would also have given you time to educate yourself on your options before you went to the store and dropped all that cash!

It's hard to know how good the advice you got was. I am guessing you went to Steveston Marine. If so, the knowledge base is hit or miss. Did you ask for someone who knew about rope, or did you go with the first guy to say "can I help you". Did he ask you questions like what kind of clutches and cleats the boat has? If not, he should have!

For the most part modern ropes are much smaller diameter than their old school equivalents, and yes, that can make them a bit harder on the hands in some situations, but it also reduces friction significantly. The biggest concern with downsizing Halyard diameters aside from the potential for it to jump the sheave is whether the clutches can hold the new rope. Some clutches are sized to a specific rope diameter, and can't hold smaller lines without slipping. Also , if your stoppers are worn they may be able to hold fat fuzzy old rope but have a hard time with the new slippery line. As for chaffe problems, no rope is going to tolerate being dragged across sharp metal edges. That is an issue you should resolve before you replace the rope, and you certainly can't expect the salesman to anticipate such things!

Really, what it comes down to is that you should have educated yourself more before you went shopping. I get my rope advice from riggers not retail salesmen! Even posting here first would have better prepared you. Having said that, you will probably be fine with most of the lines you bought!

Now get out sailing and figure out what works and what doesn't!
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I did notice that...my JIB sheet sta set kinked amazingy fast and was a nuissance to coil and stow...

however they are new and have not been eased on yet...so I will find out for sure...

the west marine store only had this and not any samson line...which is what I wanted originally based on reviews.
Last year, in a West Marine down in Florida, I found a cut length of 10mm Salsa for an unbelievable price. I think it must have been mis-marked, like $69 for 90', just long enough for my mainsheet which was getting pretty worn out. The original was 7/16" standard Yacht Braid. The Salsa (although brightly colored has been very good as a sheet line and I'd definitely recommend it for this use. It is even more pliable than the Yacht Braid. The other great thing about the Salsa is that it's not double braid which is a royal PITA to splice. 12 strand is easy-peezy.It does pay to keep an eye on the spool end pieces in stores.New England Ropes - Product Details
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Re: Bad Rope (Line/Sheet) Advice?

I've got nearly a whole roll of new samson dacron 3/8 with a blue marker and another of soft 7/16 white braid sitting in the basement. Offering at 1/2 price of WM. A couple of inches of vinyl hose where it goes thru the bee hole helps the issue. .I don't splice any more but if I can do it ,you can learn too. Sold the tall ship.

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