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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

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Go for it. I plan on circling the planet in my Macgregor 25 death machine.
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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

Nope not at all; since the 'structural design' of the C22 is strictly for 'inshore' or protected waters sailing.
An around-the-world boat of this size would be built to at least TWICE the 'strength' of a C22.

Inotherwords ... expect the C22 to 'fall apart' (and probably sink) long before you complete your circumnavigation. There's simply not enough 'reserve strength' (safety factor) in an inshore design boat to take the beating that a dedicated 'blue water' boat can handle .... This has NOTHING to do with the experience and ability of the sailor; its just simple 'material and inbuilt design strength'.
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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

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And since mine is a swing keel if you did get knocked down much past horizontal there's a chance that the keel could slam back up.
The swing keel Catalina 22 boats I have sailed have had a big pin that holds the keel down.
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Nope not at all; since the 'structural design' of the C22 is strictly for 'inshore' or protected waters sailing.
An around-the-world boat of this size would be built to at least TWICE the 'strength' of a C22.
I don't know anything about the design of "offshore" boats, but I can say that a C22 is pretty soft. I cut a backing plate out of G-10 fiberglass and that stuff is crazy impossibly hard. Then I went to cut a through-hull in the C22 and it was like cutting through butter in comparison.


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The swing keel Catalina 22 boats I have sailed have had a big pin that holds the keel down.
They have a screw that pushes against the side of the keel and friction is supposed to keep it down, but it doesn't really lock it in place. The consensus on the C22 forum is that if you got much past horizontal the weight and levering effect would rapidly overcome the the friction of the end of a 1/2" screw. A lot of peep have removed the pin and glassed over the hole, since it can let water in sometimes.

In my mind I think of it as a keel brake, rather than a keel lock.
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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

Don't forget there are a lot of fixed keel Catalina 22's. That being said, and having owned it as the second of my five under 30 foot boats, I felt it to be the weakest. Although it 20-30 knot hawaii winds and 4-6 foot seas it always sailed great. I'm all about taking a small boat offshore(at least wanting to). This would not be it.
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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

With perfect weather windows it's probably possible. You'd have to have a lot of patience, and not need a lot of food or water storage.

Realistically yes, a 22 foot sailboat can do it - but you'd want the 8,000 lb full keel, heavy-built kinds, not a C22, if you were asking for a personal reason.

You'd have to do more modifications to it all over that it would just make sense to buy a sturdy sailboat.

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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

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Nope not at all; since the 'structural design' of the C22 is strictly for 'inshore' or protected waters sailing.
..There's simply not enough 'reserve strength' (safety factor) in an inshore design boat to take the beating that a dedicated 'blue water' boat can handle .... This has NOTHING to do with the experience and ability of the sailor; its just simple 'material and inbuilt design strength'.
Catalina would certainly disagree with you. They say it is " safer at sea and in all conditions than any boat in it's class " And the thousands of C22's still out there sailing decade after decade after decade must all be very lucky or very careful .
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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

Not to stoke the fires, but Catalina did make a fixed fin keel version of the boat during it's long, long, production history. Once, I did a round trip to Monterrey from Santa Cruz over a weekend. If any of you are familiar with Monterrey Bay in th afternoon, you will understand when I say I had my Cape Horn rounding experience!
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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

This just seems like an absurd idea. Any C22 or similar boat would have to be modded so extensively that you might as well just buy a boat designed for the task anyway. It's not just the swing keel - it's basically the whole boat. Even if the boat was durable enough, there's just not room for the needed gear and provisions. And hit just one storm and it would swallow up the boat like nothing.
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Catalina would certainly disagree with you...
I dare you to find me someone at Catalina who would advise taking a C22 on a circumnav.
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...They say it is " safer at sea and in all conditions than any boat in it's class " And the thousands of C22's still out there sailing decade after decade after decade must all be very lucky or very careful .
I doubt their promotional literature that you supposedly quote has that grammar error (possessive its with apostrophe). And the key phrase there is its class. It is very safe for its class, but its class is cruising and daysailing in protected waters.

The correct answer to OP's original question is "no."
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Re: Sailing around the world on a Catalina 22 sailboat

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Not to stoke the fires, but Catalina did make a fixed fin keel version of the boat during it's long, long, production history. Once, I did a round trip to Monterrey from Santa Cruz over a weekend. If any of you are familiar with Monterrey Bay in th afternoon, you will understand when I say I had my Cape Horn rounding experience!
not quite cape horn jajaja but thats exactly where I ripped a jib coming down from halfmoon bay

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