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Question Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

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Which sailboats have a ships wheel? I don't like tillers although I have heard them to be in advantage in ways.

Here is list of 20 small Vigor boats if someone can list ones with wheel and some others perhaps that are not on the list that would be good for ocean crossings?

Boat Disp. Beam Power Sail Area SAD Safety at Sea
Cal 20 1950 7'-0" O 196 20.09 19
Folkboat 25 4322 7'-2" O/I-G/D 258 15.56 9
Pacific Seacraft 25 4700 8'-0" I-D 250 14.26 18
Albin Vega 27 5070 8'-0" I-G/D 341 18.49 6
Cape Dory 25D 5120 8'-0" I-D 304 16.37 13
Contessa/J.J Taylor 26 5400 7'-6" I-D 280 14.56 11
Flicka 20 6000 8'-0" O/I-G/D 243 11.77 17
Bristol 27 6600 8'-0" O/I-G/D 340 15.47 15
Frances/Morris 26 6800 8'-2" I-D 327 14.58 10
Catalina 27 6850 8'-6" O/I-G/D 340 15.08 20
Falmouth Cutter 22 7400 8'-0" I-D 403 16.98 14
Dana 24 8000 8'-6" I-D 358 14.32 16
Pearson Triton 28 8000 8'-3" I-D 362 14.48 12
Alberg 30 9000 8'-9" I-G/D 410 15.16 8
Contessa 32 9500 9'-6" I-D 562 20.05 2
Southern Cross 31 13600 9-6" I-D 447 12.55 7
Bristol Cutter 28 14000 10'-1" I-D 556 15.31 1
Nicholson 31 14700 10'-3" I-D 500 13.33 3
Allied Seawind 32 14900 10'-5" I-D 555 14.67 4
Westsail 32 20000 11'-0" I-D 663 14.41 5
Hunter 260

H260 5000 8'-11" O 380 17.51
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Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

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Hi, All

Which sailboats have a ships wheel? I don't like tillers although I have heard them to be in advantage in ways.

Here is list of 20 small Vigor boats if someone can list ones with wheel and some others perhaps that are not on the list that would be good for ocean crossings?

Boat Disp. Beam Power Sail Area SAD Safety at Sea
Cal 20 1950 7'-0" O 196 20.09 19
Folkboat 25 4322 7'-2" O/I-G/D 258 15.56 9
Pacific Seacraft 25 4700 8'-0" I-D 250 14.26 18
Albin Vega 27 5070 8'-0" I-G/D 341 18.49 6
Cape Dory 25D 5120 8'-0" I-D 304 16.37 13
Contessa/J.J Taylor 26 5400 7'-6" I-D 280 14.56 11
Flicka 20 6000 8'-0" O/I-G/D 243 11.77 17
Bristol 27 6600 8'-0" O/I-G/D 340 15.47 15
Frances/Morris 26 6800 8'-2" I-D 327 14.58 10
Catalina 27 6850 8'-6" O/I-G/D 340 15.08 20
Falmouth Cutter 22 7400 8'-0" I-D 403 16.98 14
Dana 24 8000 8'-6" I-D 358 14.32 16
Pearson Triton 28 8000 8'-3" I-D 362 14.48 12
Alberg 30 9000 8'-9" I-G/D 410 15.16 8
Contessa 32 9500 9'-6" I-D 562 20.05 2
Southern Cross 31 13600 9-6" I-D 447 12.55 7
Bristol Cutter 28 14000 10'-1" I-D 556 15.31 1
Nicholson 31 14700 10'-3" I-D 500 13.33 3
Allied Seawind 32 14900 10'-5" I-D 555 14.67 4
Westsail 32 20000 11'-0" I-D 663 14.41 5
Hunter 260

H260 5000 8'-11" O 380 17.51
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The Allied Seawind strikes me as the only one that might have been equipped with a wheel as standard...

There's a good reason for that, I can't imagine how a wheel would be an improvement over a tiller on any of the others on that list...

Why do you not like tillers? have you ever actually sailed a boat of that size equipped with one?

If you're going with boats of that size, looks like you're gonna have to learn to love them... :-)
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Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

I think they all came with tiller originally, wheels on small older boats are an after market item. Usually a foolish choice.
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Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

Ahoy,

Thank you to all. I figured the deck size is not large enough to allow wheels on smaller boats. It makes clear sense. I don't mind tillers, but if the boat has an in board motor, will it have a wheel inside to dock the boat in the slip or is it somehow controlled from the out side?

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I think they all came with tiller originally, wheels on small older boats are an after market item. Usually a foolish choice.
I'm pretty sure these reverse mounted wheels were standard on the Seawind...

In my opinion, the WORST of all possible arrangements... What a joy this cockpit would be for singlehanding, eh?

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Question Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

Hehe talk about silly, it is good if one steers with their butt LOL.

So the boat I really like is the albin vega 27 and it has an inboard motor. How is that motor controlled. The pics don't show enough for me to notice a wheel inside the berth area?

I am assuming it can be turned on from outside and the power controlled forward/reverse, but then I must use the tiller to steer.


By the way your pic made me blast in laughter. It is like when a doctor puts your ear that fell off during an accident where your nose is. Very silly! I call this a mutant boat Hehe

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I'm pretty sure these reverse mounted wheels were standard on the Seawind...

In my opinion, the WORST of all possible arrangements... What a joy this cockpit would be for singlehanding, eh?

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Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

They will have engine controls in the cockpit. I would suggest that before you look for a small ocean going boat, you actually go and look at a boat, any boat, and try to get an idea of what one looks like
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Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

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Ahoy,

Thank you to all. I figured the deck size is not large enough to allow wheels on smaller boats. It makes clear sense. I don't mind tillers, but if the boat has an in board motor, will it have a wheel inside to dock the boat in the slip or is it somehow controlled from the out side?
Once you start sailing and get a chance to get on different boats this will be clearer, I'm sure.

Even with an inboard motor the wheel or tiller is still usually on the "'outside."
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Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

We went from a rl24 with a tiller to a Watkins 29 with a wheel. Actually I kinda miss the tiller. It's much simpler, no cables and such. Folds up out of the way for more cockpit space. The wheel I have to walk on the seats to get around it. Honestly it fells more like sailing with a nice wooden tiller in your hand rather than a steel wheel.
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Re: Which ones have ship wheel/helm and no tiller?

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and some others perhaps that are not on the list that would be good for ocean crossings?
I'd go with my own boat, a Nor'sea 27 aft-cockpit. It has a nice heavy tiller and built to live its life on the ocean.

Best to step foot on any boat you would consider to see how it is setup and if it "feel" right to you.
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