Crew Blues - Page 4 - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 38 Old 07-20-2006
Senior Member
 
Surfesq's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Chesapeake Bay, MD
Posts: 1,245
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 10
 
I AM THE CAPTAIN DAMN IT!!!!

Those poor people. You are running a scam not a saililng school. You have no right to use unsuspecting people to serve your fantasy. Look, I am sorry I was the one guy who didnt help you cry in your beer over the pocket change you clearly misplaced. (Either that or they decided they deserved a refund). But my instincts proved correct. One difference...I would not have rolled away in a cab. I would waited for you, (heartily contragulated you)(Happy Mr. Admin Guy?)and then left.

As for you believing that you know more about sailing than I do...thats just rich thanks for the laugh. I do have a "clew" lol.

Look, do yourself and any potential victim a favor. Stop trying to run a sailing school off your daysailor. You obviously do not have not have the expertise or the temperament for it. If you are such an old salt get your license and get your "school" accredited with the ASA you ( really great guy)..(edited by request).

As for the rest of you listen up. Being old does not necessarily make you smarter as evidenced by our friend here. The ability to teach sailing comes from several factors. 1. You have taken lessons such as ASA training so you have a sense of what goes into teaching. 2. You have people skills 3. You have lots of actual experience. (Not just motoring or sailing your own boat but crewing on other boats in ocean races or long passages with other more experiened sailors). 4. You are accredited.

If you really want to do something like this get the experience that is required. Try teaching at a place like Maryland Sailng School (An offshore school on the Bay). In other words, put the time into doing this just like you would to become a CPA or whatever.

Last edited by Surfesq; 07-21-2006 at 08:53 AM.
Surfesq is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 38 Old 07-20-2006 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 399
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
 
Why don't you people go over to Latts and Atts where they bash people all the time with name calling. You are a bunch of gutless punks and I am glad your not my crew. How is it that some morons can turn a simple thing like this post into a pissing contest. This is exactly why I don't go to Latts and Atts this has been a traditional sailing site for real sailors for a long time gusee its time for me to move on because if I wanted to hear from an ass I would have farted. Maybe the crew will fill in the missing spaces. And when you call someone gutless you need to know first who your talking to. Seven years and nine months in the Marine Corps a tour of duty in Viet Nam and a comission I think makes me at least part of the man that I am. So when you have been use to telling people this is what you need to do and you give them three weeks of that same training and they don't get it right then it is a problem.
As for the playing captain I don't play I am the Captain and like I said no piece of paper makes you the captain but it may be a lisc to learn. This post is finished.
sailnaway is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #33 of 38 Old 07-20-2006
old cranky salt
 
Dewey Benson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 342
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Sailinaway!

In your initial post, I raised an eyebrow when I heard you use the expression "Cherries" in reference to your inexperienced crew. Now I understand.

Dewey
Dewey Benson is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #34 of 38 Old 07-20-2006
Administrator
 
administrator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: maryland
Posts: 1,887
Thanks: 3
Thanked 18 Times in 10 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
I will ask those of you who are getting passionate to remain passionate but let's tone down the rhetoric a few notches. Let's not forget that we're all here because of a love of sailing and with fuel prices being what they are we should love it more as every week goes by and the prices at the pump rise.

Please treat each other with the respect and courtesy with which you would like to be treated.

Remember, respect for the individual is vital.

thanks so much

Jeff
Your Humble Forum Slave.

Last edited by administrator; 07-20-2006 at 09:20 PM.
administrator is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #35 of 38 Old 07-20-2006
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 629
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
Crew Agreement--SURFESQ

Dear Surf Esq,
first let me say that the agreement that i use is published by Offshore Passage Opportunities and is their Standard agreement for a passage.
it is used by about 500 boat owners. I never charge anyone for a passage on my boat or even have them share expenses therefore i am performing legally as a captain not charging for a passage..
i don't know where you got that idea that i charged for anything.

Incidentally my sons and grandchildren do sail with me.

I do not need this agreement for short trips only trips that are over 7 days non stop. I now have some 40,000 bluewater miles using this contract and have not had a complaint from any crewmember or ever have had to ask a
crewmember to leave.

additionally i have about 47 years sailing in local waters and a number of trans atlantic passages. all without crew problems.
therefore, what is wrong with spelling out what is required of a crewmember on a passage.
Fair winds,
eric
kimberlite is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #36 of 38 Old 07-20-2006
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 629
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 15
 
surfesq-additional

Hi,
i re read the recent posts on this topic and have a few comments.
First- I am THE Captain- but i have never had to use those words with anyone i have ever sailed with. ( it kind of like saying it my ball so you play by my rules).
I gain my "power" as captain by experience, calmness, ( i have NEVER raised my voice on any boat ever), example ,and respect of my crew.

i mention the points about smoking and drinking as many of my crew come from as far as the west coast (we being in europe, the caribbean, or east coast).
it would be unfortunate for a crewperson to show up in france facing a trans atlantic trip having a serious smoking/drinking habit and not be able to smoke or drink.
this is therefore mentioned as a courtesy.

the matter of the $400-
i sail frequently with a new crew members who i have never met.
even though we are all in the sailing fraternity, i do not leave Cash sitting out in plain sight. If i am sailing with old crew then i will leave all my stuff out. After all when i am sleeping ,the crew on watch has my life in their hands, a little more valuable than 400 bucks.

with respect to crew retention, i have had about 30 crewmembers who have come from either OPO or the internet and my difficulty now is who to pick for my next passage and not where i am i going to find crew.

as a final note. i use the crew agreement only once with a crewmember.
after that, on future passages, we are friends and understand each other.
Fair winds,
eric
kimberlite is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #37 of 38 Old 07-21-2006
Senior Member
 
Surfesq's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Chesapeake Bay, MD
Posts: 1,245
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 10
 
Eric: Not trying to give you a hard time. Just trying to let you know how to protect yourself from liability. I agree that if you are just bringing people along for a passage you don't need paperwork.
Sailinaway: I think you have proven my point.
Surfesq is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #38 of 38 Old 07-21-2006
Reward for lost Kraken!
 
hellosailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,449
Thanks: 5
Thanked 132 Times in 129 Posts
Rep Power: 11
   
Some interesting stuff there guys, thanks for posting it.

I'm a bit confused by the unspoken questions of "Crew" as in, paid crew, versus the casual and incorrect "Crewing" as in sailing unpaid on a boat. When money changes hands, whether it is a share or a training payment, etc. that does change everything.
Crew. Passengers. Cargo. Supercargo. And a few more precise nautical terms that don't belong in a PG13 forum, right?
hellosailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Chicago to Mackinaw Race - Crew looking for a boat! dsiegfried Racing 1 07-18-2006 03:27 PM
Mac crew member available capnnard Crew Wanted/Available 0 07-03-2006 01:01 PM
Experienced crew available for Mac capnnard Racing 0 07-03-2006 12:51 PM
Cleveland Ohio Crew Wanted Breezin454 Crew Wanted/Available 1 05-20-2001 07:56 AM
Motivated, Dependable Crew Available sailman1 Crew Wanted/Available 0 04-04-2001 08:24 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome