Crew Blues

[Surfesq]

I AM THE CAPTAIN DAMN IT!!!!

Those poor people. You are running a scam not a saililng school. You have no right to use unsuspecting people to serve your fantasy. Look, I am sorry I was the one guy who didnt help you cry in your beer over the pocket change you clearly misplaced. (Either that or they decided they deserved a refund). But my instincts proved correct. One difference...I would not have rolled away in a cab. I would waited for you, (heartily contragulated you)(Happy Mr. Admin Guy?)and then left.

As for you believing that you know more about sailing than I do...thats just rich thanks for the laugh. I do have a "clew" lol.

Look, do yourself and any potential victim a favor. Stop trying to run a sailing school off your daysailor. You obviously do not have not have the expertise or the temperament for it. If you are such an old salt get your license and get your "school" accredited with the ASA you ( really great guy)..(edited by request).

As for the rest of you listen up. Being old does not necessarily make you smarter as evidenced by our friend here. The ability to teach sailing comes from several factors. 1. You have taken lessons such as ASA training so you have a sense of what goes into teaching. 2. You have people skills 3. You have lots of actual experience. (Not just motoring or sailing your own boat but crewing on other boats in ocean races or long passages with other more experiened sailors). 4. You are accredited.

If you really want to do something like this get the experience that is required. Try teaching at a place like Maryland Sailng School (An offshore school on the Bay). In other words, put the time into doing this just like you would to become a CPA or whatever.

[sailnaway]

Why don't you people go over to Latts and Atts where they bash people all the time with name calling. You are a bunch of gutless punks and I am glad your not my crew. How is it that some morons can turn a simple thing like this post into a pissing contest. This is exactly why I don't go to Latts and Atts this has been a traditional sailing site for real sailors for a long time gusee its time for me to move on because if I wanted to hear from an ass I would have farted. Maybe the crew will fill in the missing spaces. And when you call someone gutless you need to know first who your talking to. Seven years and nine months in the Marine Corps a tour of duty in Viet Nam and a comission I think makes me at least part of the man that I am. So when you have been use to telling people this is what you need to do and you give them three weeks of that same training and they don't get it right then it is a problem.
As for the playing captain I don't play I am the Captain and like I said no piece of paper makes you the captain but it may be a lisc to learn. This post is finished.

[Dewey Benson]

Sailinaway!

In your initial post, I raised an eyebrow when I heard you use the expression "Cherries" in reference to your inexperienced crew. Now I understand.

Dewey

[administrator]

I will ask those of you who are getting passionate to remain passionate but let's tone down the rhetoric a few notches. Let's not forget that we're all here because of a love of sailing and with fuel prices being what they are we should love it more as every week goes by and the prices at the pump rise.

Please treat each other with the respect and courtesy with which you would like to be treated.

Remember, respect for the individual is vital.

thanks so much

Jeff
Your Humble Forum Slave.

[kimberlite]

Dear Surf Esq,
first let me say that the agreement that i use is published by Offshore Passage Opportunities and is their Standard agreement for a passage.
it is used by about 500 boat owners. I never charge anyone for a passage on my boat or even have them share expenses therefore i am performing legally as a captain not charging for a passage..
i don't know where you got that idea that i charged for anything.

Incidentally my sons and grandchildren do sail with me.

I do not need this agreement for short trips only trips that are over 7 days non stop. I now have some 40,000 bluewater miles using this contract and have not had a complaint from any crewmember or ever have had to ask a
crewmember to leave.

additionally i have about 47 years sailing in local waters and a number of trans atlantic passages. all without crew problems.
therefore, what is wrong with spelling out what is required of a crewmember on a passage.
Fair winds,
eric

[kimberlite]

Hi,
i re read the recent posts on this topic and have a few comments.
First- I am THE Captain- but i have never had to use those words with anyone i have ever sailed with. ( it kind of like saying it my ball so you play by my rules).
I gain my "power" as captain by experience, calmness, ( i have NEVER raised my voice on any boat ever), example ,and respect of my crew.

i mention the points about smoking and drinking as many of my crew come from as far as the west coast (we being in europe, the caribbean, or east coast).
it would be unfortunate for a crewperson to show up in france facing a trans atlantic trip having a serious smoking/drinking habit and not be able to smoke or drink.
this is therefore mentioned as a courtesy.

the matter of the $400-
i sail frequently with a new crew members who i have never met.
even though we are all in the sailing fraternity, i do not leave Cash sitting out in plain sight. If i am sailing with old crew then i will leave all my stuff out. After all when i am sleeping ,the crew on watch has my life in their hands, a little more valuable than 400 bucks.

with respect to crew retention, i have had about 30 crewmembers who have come from either OPO or the internet and my difficulty now is who to pick for my next passage and not where i am i going to find crew.

as a final note. i use the crew agreement only once with a crewmember.
after that, on future passages, we are friends and understand each other.
Fair winds,
eric

[Surfesq]

Eric: Not trying to give you a hard time. Just trying to let you know how to protect yourself from liability. I agree that if you are just bringing people along for a passage you don't need paperwork.
Sailinaway: I think you have proven my point.

[hellosailor]

Some interesting stuff there guys, thanks for posting it.

I'm a bit confused by the unspoken questions of "Crew" as in, paid crew, versus the casual and incorrect "Crewing" as in sailing unpaid on a boat. When money changes hands, whether it is a share or a training payment, etc. that does change everything.
Crew. Passengers. Cargo. Supercargo. And a few more precise nautical terms that don't belong in a PG13 forum, right?