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Assuming you could find a place to mount this fan-tasy, you'd only ever be able to go as fast as the breeze coming off the fan. So, in the doldrums, you might gain something, but the bow would clearly be dipping. In a breeze, the fan would actually serve to slow down the wind coming at the boat. Want proof? Put a fan in a windward window at home. You'll get good airflow when it's still outside, but if the breeze picks up, you're better off with no fan at all.

In all, newbie though I be, I'll stick to "natural" windpower.
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Assuming you could find a place to mount this fan-tasy, you'd only ever be able to go as fast as the breeze coming off the fan. So, in the doldrums, you might gain something, but the bow would clearly be dipping...

No, it is known by tacking into the wind the boat can have greater speed than the wind speed.


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No argument here; meant that you'd have whatever speed you'd have in a similar breeze. I'll stand by my argument about interference, though: in anything more than a couple knots wind, you'd be doing yourself no favors.
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Hey, SailorMitch...good to see you here again. How did the week sail with Denr go? Did you manage to get him sufficiently seasick?Kokopuff...
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If you'd mount a quantum attractor on the bow, you wouldn't need the sails or the fan.

Those things are so quaint, so 20th century! The good lord gave us eleven dimensions, why confine yourself to the first three or four of them?!
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A fan of a size required to move air in the volume required to fill the sails would generate some large decibels. Think or the sound of a yachts wind generator in a BLOW, and that is being driven not driving air.............LEAVE CIVILZED SOCIOTY IF YOU MUST!!, GET A STINKY, NOISEY, POLLUTING, ENVIROMENTALY UNFREINDLY MOTOR DRIVEN MONSTROSITY.
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I have a better question... Can you lift yourself up by your bootstraps? What if you jump a little first to give yourself some momentum?

In all seriousness, the fan is going to act just like a propeller would in the water. It will give you some thrust if its big enough. You may even get a little extra from the sails, but no more than you would from equivalent thrust from a submerged propeller.

It's newton's third law of physics. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. If there's thrust pushing the boat forward, its from the fan onto the sail and rig (pushing it equally backward). The fact that the boat moves forward because of the fan's thrust may draw a little extra air over the foil (sail) which will begin to cause some lift. But this isn't any different than if the 'fan' was underwater I would think.
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To all you guys that speculate "if the fan was big enough" and other such speculations...wrong. ANY wind produced from an object on the boat (even from the hot air of surfesq) is subject to an equal and opposite effect in the opposite direction. I believe that was one the first laws of physics.
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Amazing the discussion even got this far. How about that quantum attractor?
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No, it is known by tacking into the wind the boat can have greater speed than the wind speed.


Bob
Bob,

Have you even tacked a sailboat?
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