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Soft Deck Core repairs.

I have a Hunter 35.5 Legend. The genny has a furling system with the drum located in the anchor locker and the sheet that controls the furling sytem passes thru the deck on the starboard side and is lead back to the cockpit. Over the years water intusion has caused the balsa core to rot and this makes the deck spongy. The surveyor said that this "Soft Deck" syndrome is quite common on this make and model of boat and that the damage is not structural. He also stated that it might or might not get worse and if it was his boat he would ignore this and just sail her. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this phenomenon and if there is an economical solution to repair this. I would think that a series of holes strategically placed in the outer deck skin and allowing ample drying time could be injected with some sort of epoxy that would expand and fill the void thus stiffening up the deck. The other alternative would be to cut out the offending section of deck and replace the core then replace the fiberglass and repaint/refinish the topside. Decisions.decisions,decisions. I really like this boat (sails great) and would like to have her restored to her former glory prior to making her my permanent residence. I have been known to make a silk purse from a sows ear now and then and throw good money after bad. Money that is most needed for the cruising kitty before casting off the lines. Your opinions and advise are most welcome. Thank you...

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Bill: You pretty much identified both solutions. West Systems makes a product specifically for coring and injecting. You should be able to find it in the West Marine Catalogue. What you do is core the deck and inject it with epoxy. It should stiffen up the deck if the problem is not too extensive.

The other solution of course to remove the damaged portion of the deck. The problem with this is that you will need to remove the deck to the next bulkhead so you have a logical place to tie the deck into the structure.
Did your surveryor determine if the roller-furler was still leaking? If so, I would strongly recommend removing it and rebedding it. No sense fixing a problem more than once.

Finally, I would recommend that even if you intend to tackle the problem yourself. Pay an experienced hand from the yard to spend half a hour with you reviewing the problem and how to repair it.
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The surveyor you have is a complete idiot. If the balsa core has water coming into it...it will ROT and the core will DELAMINATE. This makes the deck unsound structurally for the loads placed on it. Ignoring it will ensure that you will have to replace/recore the whole deck, as the water will migrate along the core, and the problem will expand its area of intrusion.

Depending on how badly rotted the balsa core is, the idea of drying it out may or may not work. If the core is still solid, and hasn't yet turned to mush, then drilling the holes and filling with epoxy is viable. If the core has already rotted and turned to mush, the only real option is to re-cored that area of the deck.

While you are doing this, it would be wise to remove the deck hardware in the area affected and see how it was bedded. If the originaly installation did not have the holes for the fasteners and for the through-deck fittings drilled out with the core removed and then back-filled with thickened epoxy, to prevent water from intruding into the core, now would be the time to do so. It will help prevent the need for such a repair in the future.

P.S. I'd also get a more reputable and knowledgeable surveyor.
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Check out Rot Doctor for a good description of the injection repair process.

http://www.rotdoctor.com/
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IMHO, Rot Doctor is only good if the core material hasn't broken down into mush. If the core has rotted, then Rot Doctor is useless, as the core really needs to be replaced.
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"The surveyor you have is a complete idiot."
On behalf of the Idiots' League and the Witless Protection Program, I most strongly protest. The ALLEGED surveyor is a dangrous imposter who should be keel-hauled repeatedly until the Gods take justice on him.
Once water gets into the deck, the little problems always become major structural problems and you can wind up with a boat that needs a $20,000 repair. It may be safe to sail now, but it won't stay that way.
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"The surveyor you have is a complete idiot."
On behalf of the Idiots' League and the Witless Protection Program, I most strongly protest. The ALLEGED surveyor is a dangrous imposter who should be keel-hauled repeatedly until the Gods take justice on him.
Once water gets into the deck, the little problems always become major structural problems and you can wind up with a boat that needs a $20,000 repair. It may be safe to sail now, but it won't stay that way.
LOL, Yes, you're right, I may have been insulting proper idiots with that statement. I'll retract that in favor of your description. Also, he should be keelhauled on a full-keel boat with lots of barnacles..
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Also, he should be keelhauled on a full-keel boat with lots of barnacles..
Uh... that'd be mine then...

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I concur

I believe that the mushy deck will progress to the point of failure if not addressed, my thoughts on this "You can pay me now or you can pay me later." Thank you all for sharing your wit and wisdom.

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