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Van De Stadt

I'm looking at a 1972 45' Van De Stadt & having no luck finding any info good or bad about these boats. Can anyone HELP??
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If it was built by Van de Stadt, they are a Dutch yard with an excellent reputation for building metal boats.

There are also designs for sale http://www.stadtdesign.com/ and the yard sells "kits" for assembly in yards overseas.

http://www.vandestadt-usa.com US and Carribean agents for the design group.
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Van de Stadt is not a boat yard but a well established Dutch yacht design firm. At one time Van De Stadt was on a par with S&S in terms of world class leading edge race boat and racer-cruiser designs. Their designs are a snap shot of design thinking at the time that the boat was designed and built, which can be a mixed bag. Their portfolio includes some wholesome cruising designs, but it also includes a lot of obsolete CCA and IOR era race boats. These old Van DeStadt race boats can often be bought cheaply but obviously they are less than ideal as cruisers.

It is hard to say what a 1972 Van De Stadt 45 looks like. In that era, there were still Van De Stadt CCA and RORC race boats being built, there was an odd narrow, low freeboard 45 foot cruising design (They always looked like they are sagging in the stern), and there was an early IOR design in that size range. You could be looking at any one of those.

None of these were great all around designs, so I guess the next questions are what do you want to do with the boat and what specifically do you want to know?

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Van de Stadt is a fairly well-regarded boat designer who specializes in metal boat designs. Beth Leonard, the cruising sailor author, sails on a Vad deStadt design boat IIRC.
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Jeff, over the years I've seen many references to to VDS as a "builder", such as this current URL:
http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/...415/index.html

Is "builder" then just a common translation error from the Dutch? Or perhaps there is a Dutch yard that they have, or have had, a special relationship with as supervisors in the yard?
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I would speculate that you are looking at an ad by a broker that does not know better. As far as I know, Van De Stadt never owned a ayrd, but had their boats produced by a wide range of high quality and not so high quality yards, as well as, by home builders and kit builders.

That kind of mistake is pretty common. I have also seen boats listed as being built by S&S, a firm that also never actually built boats either.

Also for example, when I bought my boat the builder was listed as Bruce Farr. As far as I know Bruce Farr or Farr Yacht design has not actually built a boat since the early 1970's, relying instead on contract boat yards to actually build the boats that they sell through Farr International (now Stagg International, I believe) . My boat was actually build by C&B Marine in South Africa to a design licensed from Farr Yacht design.

For that matter, J-boats and until recently Freedom Yachts don't actually have yards either.

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Cool Van de Stadt

Jeff:
Then who actually builds a J-boat? Do they contract with another yard to build
their models with their molds? Who supervises these yards to make sure J-boat
designs are quality and their specs specifically used? Does J-boats allow that yard to use their molds? Who owns the molds?

Just wondering...
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J-Boats licenses certain factories to build their boats. http://www.jboats.com/jfactory_links.htm
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Originally Tillotson-Pearson (now Pearson Composites) built all of the J-boats. Over the years, J-boats has contracted with various companies world wide. In the US the smaller J-boats are built by U.S. Watercraft (I think they were formerly Waterline) and Pearson Compsites builds the bigger boats. The molds are apparently commissioned by J-boats and the boats produced under contract. Interestingly there have been models that were only produced in Europe or Australia that were not available in the US.

That is not all that unusual in the industry. For example, Hinckley had Hughes produce the molds and the hulls and decks for their late 1960's era Competition 38. Freedom Yachts had their boats built by Tillotson Pearson, as did Alerion Express. Soverel had his boats made by Olsen. Seafarer had most of their early boats produced in Holland. Contest had their boats produced at Conyplex and so on.

Quality control is generally worked out between the parties.

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Van de Stadt is not a boat yard but a well established Dutch yacht design firm. At one time Van De Stadt was on a par with S&S in terms of world class leading edge race boat and racer-cruiser designs. Their designs are a snap shot of design thinking at the time that the boat was designed and built, which can be a mixed bag. Their portfolio includes some wholesome cruising designs, but it also includes a lot of obsolete CCA and IOR era race boats. These old Van DeStadt race boats can often be bought cheaply but obviously they are less than ideal as cruisers.
It is indeed a designer, NOT a boatyard. I've been a couple of times in his offices (sindce it's only a few miles from my home). Anyway, I have mixed feelings about VDS.

He has designed some very ugly steel ships. Bu he has also designed very nice and neat racer/cruisers like the Dehlers (88-96).

Every person can buy Van de Stadt plans from him and start building it in his/her backyard. Therefor it is still a Van de Stadt design, but build quality will vary widely. Except for his production designs (Dehler, Winner) always ask where and when it was built.

My brother has a '78 Van de Stadt Pion 30, built by a (back then) renowned Dutch boat yard. It is a one-design raceclass in the Netherlands

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