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Lots of questions tonight--running riggings

So the PO always used the genoa instead of the jib which I can see why because the jib is aweful small on the P165. He stated he would use the cam cleats that sit on the cockpit coaving for the genoa and then he used the cam cleats on the cabin top with the blocks for the main halyard and the downhaul. Sounds fine with me however, there are no forward blocks for the genoa sheets. I would think at some point (maybe not) that the line would get caught on something like the mast base, forward hatch or the the companionway slide hatch. Am I correct in thinking this or way off here?

It is nice to have a small enough boat to trailer so I can just keep it in my pole barn and putz on it whenever I want. I have been living in my pole barn lately and sometimes just sitting there thinking of how things work etc. When it gets nicer out I will pull it out and set the mast and riggings and try to figure everything out and will then have another million questions.
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Re: Lots of questions tonight--running riggings

I was digging because I didn't understand your question. Found this video. Couple things struck me... The boat had stanchions and lifelines (maybe owner installed?)... but that'd make dealing with the jib easier. Also there are blocks on the forward coach roof, and cleats on the aft of the coach roof, and that's how he ran the tiny jib sheets. That was for a jib, with a high clew.

He keeps his fenders on (if I was sailing solo I might be temped as well, but they can get tangled and are generally bad form for sailing...

Also he's dragging his motor/prop. Tilt the motor out, and you won't have that additional sea anchor.

Generally the video is GREAT for showing how to rig the boat, and looks like the little ship is handling the weather nicely.

I like how he keeps his lines neat for the boat too. I don't think green for starboard and red for port for halyards is necessary, but I like how anal he is with these things.

If I had the boat I'd likely be bucking for another set of maybe small tracks and the purchase of a larger genoa to run a deck sweeper for light air. These boats move great as the air comes up, as the video shows (looks like 10-15 knots of wind in the video, full sail up).. In light air they struggle.

I'd likely also add lifelines or at least lifelines for the forward half of the boat, just so I could setup netting to capture the jib (allowing you to dump the halyard and have the jib drop on deck and stay).

but hopefully his video helps with rigging up your boat.


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Small world, I have watched that video several times. I bought the book (don't laugh) sailing for dummies and also the book by ASA "Sailing Made Easy" and have read them both once and now startingt to read them a second time. That's when I realized that a boat can be fine tuned the way the owner wants it to be.

I am assuming that's a genoa he is using. I have heard that this boat sails pretty well with just the main and in high winds just a reefed main but of course I need to get it tuned right for the jib or genoa. I understand the way the PO rigged it using the genoa all the time and never the jib. He then used the original camcleats and blocks for the downhaul and cunningham back to the cockpit. I guess this isn't a bad idea but I think I need to add some tracks with blocks forward keep the genoa away from everything.

I will never leave fenders out nor would I ever leave the motor in the water. I think I will just sail it for a week and see what I think I need. I really enjoy putzing on boats and I could add a track at the slip easy enough. I had talked about adding lifelines but as others stated on here, it sure is s small boat for those and sometimes more of a hassle than they are worth on a small boat.

Lines running after: I don't think I will be sailing solo much however I do like the downhaul running to the cockpit. I am not sure how important it is having the cunning ham running to the cockpit. I see that the vang line is just draped into the cabin as the video shows. I would think that one would want at least the main haylard, downhaul, jib/genoa haylard and the reefing line and possibly the vang line ran back to the cockpit however I'm a noob and that's just my thinking from studying. The cunningham, outhaul and topping lift are not that important when it comes time to ease the sails if caught in high winds etc.

Am I way off here?
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Re: Lots of questions tonight--running riggings


If your question (or observation) is that the jib sheet gets caught . . . yes. All the time. My genoa passes the mast by at least 6 feet. It's one of the marks of boats from the 70's; small main, wick'd big jib. Lines get caught as I tack or gybe all the time. If it's on the hatch . . .shame on me. It should be closed anyway. Otherwise, the wind will fill the sail and she'll free herself soon enough. My mean some loss in speed because I came farther around then I wanted. May also mean some sharp words from the Admiral because we're supposed to be going THAT way! But, other than that, no harm no foul.
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Re: Lots of questions tonight--running riggings

New sailor on new boat...gonna caution you about drilling holes in it the first season. Whether it's for blocks, cams, biminis, or drink holders.

I'm creeping up on four decades of owning and sailing boats, and I'm still loathe to make any alterations, particularly above decks, until I've sailed her for a season. What seems like a perfectly good location for a piece of gear, while the boat's on the hard, often turns out to be a nuisance or a total disaster underway. Ask any experience sailor how they know this.

I don't like fixing holes in the deck. Done right, it's a process (to be avoided).

Modern boats come from the factory configured to sail. Areas where the maker goofed, or more likely cheaped out and used a lesser component or no component at all can be remedied based on actual experience. Very important to see under actual sailing conditions how your alteration will interact with the other gear and systems on your boat.

Launch her, set your sails, and you'll find that you have LOTS and LOTS of time to identify the true shortcomings and begin to formulate solutions to them. It takes a little while just identifying the shortcomings and generally longer to arrive at the best solution. I usually work through 3 or 4 solutions and then the most elegant and workable solution seems to present itself. And when it does, I'm damn glad I didn't use any of my earlier solutions.

At this point, the most valuable tool in your toolbox is patience, not a drill bit.

Anyone think I'm nuts on this?
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Thansk everybody and that is probably a very, very good piece of advice Siamese.
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