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SAIL Snowbird Rally 2015- Now less for more

Wow, is this cynical. This year, SAIL magazine is again backing a ICW Snowbird Rally, building on the success the inaugural event saw last year.

But, they have ditched a long time SAIL columnist, sailor,and ICW veteran as rally leader of the rally he founded , instead bringing in a team of...

... power boaters.

Mark Doyle and Tom Hale are likely nice guys, and Mark's Waterways guides are well known and respected, but... they are stinkpotters.

Something tells me this is a recipe for friction and frustration.

Further, SAIL in their infinite wisdom, bumped the price of admission to $1200... almost a 50% increase over last year's rate.
for a Rally that now ends in St Augustine.



So, in a nutshell, participants will pay more for less, led by boats without masts.

Mark has defended the price bump by pointing out that "they get that back easy in dockage, equipment, and fuel discounts. "
How much fuel does he think a sailboat is going to use on a 200 hour power run?


What is SAIL thinking?


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Yes, but think of all the group hugs. Kumbaya around the defib machine. Weather analysis paralysis. VHF 16 going off like crazy. When are you sending in your check?
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Somebody needs to get Smack over here quick to look into this rally b'ness! Seriously, rally on the ICW? Come on . . . get an RV or something.

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Somebody needs to get Smack over here quick to look into this rally b'ness! Seriously, rally on the ICW? Come on . . . get an RV or something.
I thought Smack was one of the silent organizers in this scheme. Maybe involved in the ISAF inspection process too? Can't wait for him and JonE to discuss the merits and perils of such a treacherous undertaking.
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I thought Smack was one of the silent organizers in this scheme. Maybe involved in the ISAF inspection process too? Can't wait for him and JonE to discuss the merits and perils of such a treacherous undertaking.
It's already been noted, like, 18 months ago... I'm all over the latest Rally News, you should know that by now... :-)

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Does kinda suck that Wally might have gotten the shaft on this deal, sounds like he did a nice job with the first one... But, who knows, perhaps he wanted out, once was enough?

There is a certain logic to having powerboat guys run the deal, it is basically a trip on a trawler with a mast, after all...

There's a good pic in the current SAIL from their write-up on the rally, of one of the smaller boats plowing along in Full Conestoga Wagon mode... they had a pair of big teardrop fenders dangling off the bow from what appeared to be the stem fitting, or bow cleats, gotta admit that's the first time I've seen that one...

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Wow, is this cynical. This year, SAIL magazine is again backing a ICW Snowbird Rally, building on the success the inaugural event saw last year.
I think it is cynical. Disclaimer: Wally Moran is a friend of mine; Mark and Diana Doyle are also friends of mine. I've been invited to speak at the Sail seminars in Hampton. I spoke at the Annapolis 'Secrets to the ICW' seminar last year.

Mark and Diana were long-term sailors before switching to power.

As Jon Eisberg notes the ICW is overwhelmingly run under power.

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Something tells me this is a recipe for friction and frustration.
I'll take that bet.

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So, in a nutshell, participants will pay more for less, led by boats without masts.
So what? If there is a problem in the fleet they can get through most bridges without waiting for a lift if they need to get to a boat in the fleet. I know Mark cruises at the same speed most sailboats do but he can go a good bit faster if need be to support the rally.

I think the propulsion of the lead boat is mostly irrelevant with some benefit of a power boat.

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How much fuel does he think a sailboat is going to use on a 200 hour power run?
150 to 200 gallons. *grin*

I know that the details are still being worked out. I wouldn't be surprised if fuel savings works out to $50 to $100 or more. Marina savings is likely to be much more. I have been told that registration in some events along the way is included. There will also be discounts on equipment and services. I don't know what the total will work out to - I'm sure those details will start showing up on the rally website as details are worked out.

Harder to put numbers on is the value of the seminars before the rally, the daily counsel from someone that knows the ICW as well as anyone I can think of, a very capable mechanic on the rally team, fellowship of other cruisers built along the way, and the follow-on seminars for those moving on to the Bahamas and/or Caribbeans.

I'm definitely not a rally guy. I prefer to go my own way. The closest I've come to a rally has been a small trail of ducklings following me out of an anchorage. *grin* For those who do like the rally concept the Doyles (for the ICW) or the Knowles (for the SDR) are the sort of leaders worth following.

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Not a nice thing to do to the "founder" and a gentleman. A gift for writing excellent articles and able to do the rally at a lower cost as well, Wally should continue in the leadership position he is perfectly suited for. Sounds like the "squeaky wheel" syndrome playing out here.
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Twelve hundred dollars!! Arrrrgh. They've got to be joking:-)
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Re: SAIL Snowbird Rally 2015- Now less for more

Other critiques of this event aside, 10/24 seems a bit late to depart Hampton. For ostensibly being geared toward ICW newbies, one would think an earlier departure would allow more time to beat the crowds and the cold. My personal preference would be to leave 3 to 4 weeks earlier and to make it to the FL-GA line in the first week of November. I suppose the set sail date will be marketed as giving people the opportunity to go to the boat show, although in reality it's probably more about not interfering with the organizers' attendance.

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