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Ever notice how some people will ask for help, but give so little information about what they need help with, and make you pull teeth to get the information needed to give them helpful advice?

Just a hint: If you're asking for help about a boat—it really helps if you say what boat it is, and give details related to what you are asking help on.

For instance, if you need help with re-powering a boat, you might want to say what kind of boat it is, and what kind of engine it is currently equipped with.

Another example: If you need trouble with a marine head, please say what make and model head it is. The solution for a Lavac head is going to be a bit different than that for a Baby Blake, or a Raritan.

Unless you're being intentionally stupid... why make it harder for people to help you?
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I'm with you, Sailingdog, and I have another 'Ever Notice'.

Now, when someone asks for advice about something, especially around the boatyard or the dock, and there's a few folks jawin' and passin' the time of day, it can become a pleasant topic and lots of people say lots of things, and it's fun and cordial, and the asker usually gets a lot of insight into the topic, as well as that comfortable feeling that he's not the only one who doesn't know much about this. It's one of the great joys of 'messing about in boats', as some old English fella once wrote.

Ever Notice how, in this forum, some people use these oppertunities to try to make someone else feel stupid or ignorant? Not so much the asker, but one or more of the responders?

I will not speculate as to their reasons or their sad private lives or tragic upbringing, but not everyone does it - only a few, and it's a negative aspect of the forum.

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Some valid points. I think a lot of times, the poster, isn't really aware of the need for further info. As well as a sense of those "in the know", will automatically know what they are being asked for help with. Most times, it is someone new to sailing, or sailboats, and they haven't yet become aware of the complexity of the systems.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a "Asking Questions FAQ" under the Resources tab, or some other noticable place? A "Newbies Checklist"?

It is a frustrating situation at times, but it's hard to sail, without learning patience.

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Some valid points. I think a lot of times, the poster, isn't really aware of the need for further info. As well as a sense of those "in the know", will automatically know what they are being asked for help with. Most times, it is someone new to sailing, or sailboats, and they haven't yet become aware of the complexity of the systems.
Yes, but much of what I am pointing out is pure common sense...which some may be lacking. If you're asking for help with a specific thing on a specific boat.... common sense dictates that you should at least mention what specific make and model of thing and boat is concerned as is possible.
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Yes, but much of what I am pointing out is pure common sense...which some may be lacking. If you're asking for help with a specific thing on a specific boat.... common sense dictates that you should at least mention what specific make and model of thing and boat is concerned as is possible.
Most definitely, but if they had common sense, they wouldn't buy a boat!
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I think the wealth of information here is amazing. From the reviews and articles, to the vast decades of experience of the sailors in sailing techniques and their personal experiences on particulars boats.

One thing that i've noticed is when people are looking to buy their own personal choice of paradise we call a sailboat is that they ask questions regarding suitability for a purpose.

Or, they ask for comparisons of boats for that same purpose. (or the more generalized, "I'm looking for somthing around 35 ft, what should I get)...

While some of us have been on one or two types or mfrs., some others have spent years on different boats of different types, for different purposes.

So, we chime in, giving our thoughts. I really think this is one of the best uses uses of our collective experiences.

The most frustrating part of that little equasion is that the people don't say wheather they have kids, or a spouse, or what the level of participation of those people are going to be, or better yet, they don't say what they'd like to use the boat for!

I mean, if you've got a couple of little ones, and s/o, do you plan to overnight, be a weekender, daysail, race, or what?

How "handy" are you, can you tell a sparkplug from an injector?

Are you able to learn (or willing) to do routine maintenance , or will the marina staff become more familiar with the internal working of your boat than you?

Is it important to be able to singlehand most of the time, or will you have "crew" to man the wheel while another heads to the bow?

Do you plan to coastal cruise, be lake bound, or are you going to sail off into the sunset?

I'm not saying that all sailboats are purpose built, but there are going to be some that are more suited than others for each of the criteria that is important to the particular purchaser.

One more thing. Some people are looking for "affirmations" after they've chosen their particular piece of paradise.
They say things like, I'm "looking at a frogbobber 41" for some coastal crusing and I'll be taking 3 kids, the dog, the cat, the wife and the girlfriend out for the weekend, whaddya think?"

Some people respond with something like " I dunno, the frogbobber only has 2 berths and 15 gallons of water, and 20 gallon fuel, and the engine is not much better than 2 squirrels in a cage, it pitches like a cork in a hurricane, you need 3 fulltime crew, the keel falls off about once a year, but its a great racer "

The prospective owner responds with "Yea, but" .....

well then, Cap't Ron, buy the frogbobber 41, be happy, and good luck to ya.

sigh... Its 10:35 on sunday, I'll be on the water by 11:00.
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What's wrong? Is this what your talking about? I agree with you Dog. I usually answer with more questions as to what, where, how, when, then I will reply if I have an answer.
Another pet peeve is people not being able to read the question and telling the poster everything but what the question was about.
ie: My Garmin GPS 76C cable has 4 wires coming out of it. A red,black white,brown. What are these for? Answer: My Raymarine Radar dosent have a brown wire. But the white is + the Black is - etc.

Now I've done it!

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What's wrong? Is this what your talking about? I agree with you Dog. I usually answer with more questions as to what, where, how, when, then I will reply if I have an answer.
Another pet peeve is people not being able to read the question and telling the poster everything but what the question was about.
ie: My Garmin GPS 76C cable has 4 wires coming out of it. A red,black white,brown. What are these for? Answer: My Raymarine Radar dosent have a brown wire. But the white is + the Black is - etc.

Now I've done it!

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ROFL... But isn't a Raymarine radar the same thing as a Garmin GPS??? Damn, now I know what's wrong on my friend's boat...
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Unless you're being intentionally stupid... why make it harder for people to help you?
I think John Wayne said "Life is hard, and harder if you are stupid"

Just some trivia.
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