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Any of you live near a Naval port(s)?

I was looking at some old pictures a while back when we came in from Catalina Island to San Diego. This was pre-911. You could almost go up and touch the carriers (though we never quite got that close).

I do not doubt things have changed, just curious how much?
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I've done quite a bit of sailing in the SD bay. You're supposed to stay 100 yards from the big gray ships, and they have bariers around them. You also cant hang out around the bridge, they jsut want you to pass under as quick as practical. I dont know if its new since 911 or not, but there seems to be pretty regular patrol's by both naval security and coast guard. Thier power boats are pretty cool actually. A couple big outboards on back and an even bigger gun mounted on the front.

I've never felt even the least bit harased by them. They definitly seem to have thier act together better than TSA.
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Funny you say that about the patrols. Maybe I was just there on an off day (1998 I think), but they did not seem to have cared less.

Yes, the ships are really cool. We went by the sub base at the enterance, but did not see anything in there. That was dissapointing.

We also talked in another thread about radar and the freighter ships, etc. I will say this: if you think the freighters move fast, some of those naval vessels fly (quite litterally). We saw this thing pop in/off the radar as it flew by us. It had this huge fan on the back and I think it floated on air?? Hover craft?? I am not a naval expert, but it was quite the sight.
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The navy has new, post 9-11, restrictions on how closely small boats can approach. There are not only distance, but speed limitations around the large naval vessels, as they don't want a repeat of what happened to the USS Cole a while back.

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I figured as much. Even back then they looked like sitting ducks. I imgaine that even if I were to go back to 1998, I probably would not have gotten too awfully close before I was instructed to keep my distance. Just thoughts.

I have some great pictures though.
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Taking photos of military ships and installations is severely frowned upon post 9-11.

Some of the restrictions that have come through since 9-11 strike me as fairly useless...and part of the problem is that enforcement is not evenly applied. There was one photo student, of a darker skin tone, that was being harrassed by DHS, FBI, and police for trying to complete a photography assignment. He was photographing the canal locks on a public canal, and was told that what he was doing was illegal. However, there were tourists all around him, doing pretty much the same thing, who weren't being bothered...primarily since they did not look Arabic.

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THe world has changed.

That no photographing sounds pretty "communistic" to me, verging on asinine. I undersatand the theory that we don't want Usama Bin Idiot out there shooting pictures and casing out his next target, but really... you think he would stand out in the open and have a photo shoot??? I wish they would. We could send a couple of country boys to follow them home and have a good ole' fashion Texas trial (there is no Judge or jury, incidentally)!!!

On the other hand, I am supportive of ANYTHING that helps protect the men and women risking their lives for this country. I could type that a thousand times and still not 'say' it enough. God bless them.

I am sure there is a common ground somewhere.
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bPost Peal Harbor, one of the big issues in the investigations was whether the Navy had been remiss about port security for the navy bases. The Navy position was no, that's the Army's job...which it apparently WAS to some degree, because the Navy bases were on land.

Apparently the USN has been slow to learn, i.e the USS Cole in Yemen.

Well after 9/11 I was in Port Everglades when one of the supercarriers came in for liberty call. I was stunned (not) by the way the ship was simply berthed less than a hundred feet away from a standard hurricane fence and the public road. Anyone with a fuel ruck could have driven down the road, through the fenxe, and...Ooops, one nuke boat with a problem.

Anyone without a fuel truck could have still taken the carrier, there were two gangways down and only one UNarmed watch at the head of each one.

I don't call that secure.

It was only after 60 Minutes did a water tour of some Navy bases and made this a national issue a few years ago, that the USN started spending money (and that's all it comes down to) on perimeters and patrols.

Arabic-looking people being harassed? Too bad, let the Arabic/Islamic world solve their own problem with attacking us Western Satans, and there won't be any reason to suspect that any Arab/Moslem might be a terrorist. As long as they keep fostering terror, on a scale no other group is allowing much less encouraging, it isn't harassment to concentrate on whatever looks like your enemy. Unfair? Sure. PC? No. But sadly pragmatic, to be suspicious of anyone of thing that LOOKS just like your enemy does.

And sadder still, to NOT be suspicious of anything that looks like your sworn enemy. Outright suicidal.
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It's kind of like the TSA and preventing people from having lighters on the airplane. If the TSA was able to stop terrorists from getting on the plane, then the fact that people have lighters wouldn't be an issue...

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Interesting we just brought up the USS Cole. Just heard the Commander was denied a promotion to Captain.

Politics or justified? I wonder.
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