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Sailingfool makes a few good points, but the point of buying the boat in Brazil was to save on the price of the boat IIRC. You may be able to get the necessary paperwork for USCG documentation, insurance and financing for a boat bought in Brazil, but you will need a lawyer or company that is well-versed in marine law, and USCG regulations to help your wife in getting it documented.

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I don't think documentation has to expensive or arcane, the USCG is up front about what they require and then the big question, is if you can meet those requirements. Coming from anyplace overseas, you'd probably find a bigger problem trying to ensure that you had a "builders certificate" or other bonafide proof of construction and chain of title. I mean, even within the US, how many of us would know what an out-of-state title certificate looked like, even for a car? Let alone, say, a Brazilian national title certificate from a fake?

I think there's more need for an attorney at the buying site, who might be able to certify that the documentation provided would be sufficient for international proof of title. But at least Gus might still have friends or family there, so he's not totally in the dark on that end, as most of us would be.
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Good luck on understanding US documentation rules. Being a US citizen is one requirement, another for new documentation is establishing a validated trail of ownership back to the builder. This trail may be difficult or impossible to create if a vessel has changed hands a number of times or if the builder is defunct.
As a second opinion - I would suggest reading the USCG information that is available in the FAQ (see links above) - Part of which is excerpted below. (underlining is mine - not the CG).

Contrary to the usual belief the USCG does not practice obscurification in what it publishes. It just just tells the interested parties WTF it needs in the documents submitted. Nothing More - Nothing Less.




HOW IS VESSEL OWNERSHIP ESTABLISHED?

If the vessel is new and has never been documented, ownership may be established by submission of a Builder's Certification (Form CG-1261), naming the applicant for documentation as the person for whom the vessel was built or to whom the vessel was first transferred. Also acceptable are a transfer on a Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin, a copy of the State Registration or Title, or foreign registration showing that the applicant owns the vessel.
In the case of a previously owned vessel, the applicant must present bills of sale, or other evidence showing transfer of the vessel from the person who last documented, titled, or registered the vessel, or to whom the vessel was transferred on a Builder's Certification or Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin. If title was transferred by some means other than a bill of sale, contact the NVDC for assistance.

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