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Real Cruisers verse Internet Arguers

Don't some ever get tired of the same bah bah bah "discussions" of the small fraction of "blue water" danger sailing? Doesn't it seem that any cruiser sailing around doing day hops or 1-2 passage cruises on a comfortable boat is made out on forums to be some type of lower life form?

I bet by far more cruisers fall into the category of day cruisers that in the distance cruiser world. These are the cruisers normally not sailing more than 50 miles a day between stops. They are out to travel and see things, not spend weeks out in the water. Yes they sometimes spend a couple of days out on a passage to get to a new area, but they are smart enough to wait for the right weather to do so.

Lets stop suggesting these cruisers and their comfortable boats are some lower life form and start giving them their due credit for being the majority of real cruisers verse internet arguers!
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I bet by far more cruisers fall into the category of day cruisers that in the distance cruiser world. These are the cruisers normally not sailing more than 50 miles a day between stops.
Based on a lot of data and research from my volunteer work at the Seven Seas Cruising Association (SSCA) including three years on the Board of Directors and a year as President I can say with assurance that your observation is correct.

That doesn't make discussion about passage making any less interesting or the reality that many more people will dream of crossing oceans than ever do.

I fully concur that there is no excuse for denigrating those whose cruising dreams and plans are more benign. Those who choose to motor the US AICW and hop to the Bahamas may still be interested in those fewer people who cross oceans, or even just jump offshore from Norfolk to the Abacos. Why "grade" people based on what makes them happy?

This is NOT about being politically correct. It is about being courteous and respectful of others. If you expect etiquette in an anchorage you should express it on the Internet.

For those that find reading about distant shores and the people who visit them and a tremendous resource for the cruising sailor whatever their horizons may be I recommend SSCA (http://ssca.org).
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I admit I am a little confused. Perhaps as they say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." I am unaware of "cruisers" putting down people who coastal, ICW, whatever. As far as offshore cruising goes, "many are called but few are chosen." I was totally unprepared mentally for the challenge of offshore cruising. Not only solo sailing 100's of NM offshore, but the days of boredom as you make your 100 or 120 miles per day. Of course then the exciting moments when the weather hits or something breaks. I have never, to my knowledge, put down anyone who does not choose this life.

If I was going to [rant on] if would be those who have an opinion on everything and knowledge of nothing. Unfortunately IMHO there are a fair number of them on this and every other sailing/boating forum. [/rant on]

I agree. One should be polite, share knowledge (real knowledge) and as the Seven Seas Cruising Association says: Leave a clean wake. Not only on your boat, but in your life and your Internet postings.

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Re: Real Cruisers verse Internet Arguers

That "small fraction of blue water danger sailing" is very relevant because it can kill you and all those on board. It may be just that one day in 5 years of cruising, but it can be a last day for all those on board. Those who lived through such dangerous hours tend to keep it in their memory and bring it up from time to time.

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Poor Don...


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Poor Don...
Have no idea what you are talking about. My guess is you are just trying to find a way to get an argument of some type going.

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Much of it may be where you choose to "hang out" on the internet. This forum and, say, sbo, have more coastal cruisers, while cruisersforum has more long distance skippers.

In all cases, though, elektricty seems to be a bane for sooo many. None of us were born electricians, we spent time learning, and now, with the internet, there's really no excuse to start a thread with: "I know nothing about elektricity, it scares me, I refuse to crack a book, but I have a lot of old wiring. What do I do?"

THAT'S the crap that REALLY riles me.
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Re: Real Cruisers verse Internet Arguers

Very interesting way to put things.
I've always said, "Rocks sink many more boats than the sea." IMO there's a lot more danger in sailing onshore than offshore. Offshore sailing is more like 99.9% sheer boredom and .1% sheer terror, than some form of " "blue water" danger sailing".
Perhaps there is a cockiness and a bit more roll in the gait of those who have crossed oceans under sail, but prejudice for those who haven't, I don't see it.
Almost everybody I encounter here in the Antilles has done at least 1000 miles of open water sailing, just to get here. Some may not consider that 'crossing' an ocean, but it's offshore sailing just as much as a run from the Canaries to St. Lucia, and it CAN be 1000 miles of pounding to windward, rather than the gentle downwind run of a TransAt.
However, in all my travels I think the AICW is by far one of the most fun AND challenging 1000 miles one can do on any boat. Who in their right mind (unless they've not done the AICW) would consider that a simpler, safer voyage than Charleston/Norfolk to the VI? What is it every sailor wants most when things get difficult? "sea room" There ain't much of that in the ditch, and there are a lot more extremely vicious thunderstorms in the ditch than one would encounter going from Charleston/Norfolk to the VI.
I respect anyone who can do the AICW without damaging their vessel or running aground with a 5'+ draft. Now THAT takes attention and concentration! It's not like letting your boat wander a dozen miles off course over 2000 miles, through inattention or laziness ("Naw, I don't feel like rigging the preventer just now, so hold that course until I do. Thanks").

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Yeah, I'm going to challenge the premise here. I don't think there's an attitude here or elsewhere that coastal cruisers are a lower life form or in any way less than bonafide sailers. It may be the perception of some coastal cruisers that they're held in lower regard, but it's a fallacy of their own making.

I'm a coastal cruiser on the Great Lakes, and have a respect for those who sail across oceans, but I don't have any real desire to do so myself (or fear of it for that matter). My sailing consists mostly of daysailing out of the marina that my house is adjacent to, and the occasional trip up the coast for a few days. I'm entirely happy with it, and wouldn't change, and if anyone were to think my style of sailing is deficient they'd be the fool. You're in charge of your own self esteem.
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Personally, I don't think there is a bias against coastal sailors on SN - it's much more a bias against the boats...which you get on most sailing forums.

That said, I've probably been challenged more than anyone to measure the "Offshore Wienie" by dudes who feel the need to brag about their miles...miles that have never made them any less wrong. But it's always fun.
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