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If you go outside the 12 mile limit you are suppose to check in, that's what a customs official told me. Logical??? you've got to be kidding!!!
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I wasnt aware of any regulation that required the captain of a pleasure boat to even know the difference between 11.9 miles and 12.1 miles, or to have equipment that measures and records that distance offshore, and whats "offshore"? High tide mark? Nearest sandbar? What tide? In some places "shore" goes in and out half a mile several times a day. Most current chart? Sand bars down here move with the longshore currents faster than a chart can be updated. I could drop the hook at 12 miles offshore, and in 24 hours without moving I would have to alert customs four times that I had crossed the line?

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Once the new passport rules come into effect, you had better be aware of all these new rules entail or you may find yourself outside looking in. I realize it's crazy but in Congress and the Department of Homeland Security are the ones making and enforcing the rules....not me
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Exclamation Spoiled Rotten

You guys really struck a nerve!!

I find it hard believe that there are people out there that . . .

1) believe that vessels coming "inbound" into any country (anywhere) shouldn't be proven legit.

2) equate the USA w/ the old USSR because the US allows anyone to leave the country whenever they want to, but only asks question when one enters. Oh my God!! Start up the Gulag!! (how soon we forget.)

3) believe a passport is a new thing re international travel.

C'mon, now!! Can/Mex and Caribbean requirements were an EXCEPTION to the rule and a LUXURY that Americans can ill afford. All I see here is people whinning about loosing a luxury. (Spoiled?)

A passport fee pales in comparison to what you have on your ocean going boats. Holy Cow!! I've dropped more on the bar for my men - just to show my appreciation for their work. (Spoiled?)

The people of the US are a "community" - and like any society IT IS A TEAM SPORT. If you don't want to be a member, then I suggest you turn in your jersey and go anchor off the 12 mile limit and stay there.

I keep hearing from my international friends that "Americans are a spoiled race" and "don't appreciate what they've got." Gee I wonder why.

Before you'all start into politics let me stop you right there. Politics is nothing but maneuvering for control and power. Last time I checked Americans Citizens still run this country - not Dems, Reps, Greens, or Indpnt's. News outlets are nothing more than more formalized gossip full of errors, agendas, and generalities that you would likewise eat-up around the water cooler at work. Better take all that with a huge grain of salt (a salt lick more like it) until you go over there and see what's happeing for yourself. People go where they're fed and politicians are simply trying to feed the public issues that will get them into or maintain power. Sadley enough - so is the press. Human nature I guess ("pick-a-little-talk-a-little cheep cheep cheep . . .") I wish all elected officials got minumum wage and then see who runs for office.

No, this is about a dotted line on a map that has been there for a LONG time - not politics. No rules have changed, just loop holes being closed. If you want to bitch about it I suggest you go to Arlington and start there before you cross the river.

Yes - I am in the military, and I'll think about all of you when I pack my seabag in 5 months to relieve my friends currently fighting on the other side of the "dotted-line." If you want to split hairs on the issue with me - you'd better open your eyes, bring your big picture to the game and start a new thread. I'm starting at circa 600 AD - and we'll hit theology, sociology, and world resources along the way. I will refuse to acknowledge any issues about soldiers being killed after they volunteered for military service - its a red herring, and I don't care what country they're fighting in. I can't stand it when people try to preserve life, comfort, or convenience to the deteriment of everyone else's.

WOW! What a rant! . . . that felt better though.

"A ship is more than just a hull, sails, and a rudder . . . its freedom."
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My family's been disgruntled with USA politics ever since the War of Northern Agression. I feel an obligation to maintain the integrity of my cultural heritage.

And Americans have the right to bitch about the government. And just because the Government makes a rule doesnt make it a good rule. Examples of the US Government always being "right"?? Oh, how bout Prohibition? How bout Ruby Ridge? Waco ? Yeah, you can always trust the government.

There is no such thing as a 'good' law. Good people dont need laws to do the right thing, and bad people ignore the laws anyhow.
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Shack...Amen!
"I wish all elected officials got minumum wage and then see who runs for office."

No....you'd see a minimum wage of $100 an hour! With 3 months of paid vacation for all!
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Shack, what you are saying is that your going to Bagdad to fight for their freedom, but that we are not allowed to the basic freedom to criticize the our government. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Lightbulb "Passports" Good! . . . "Loop Holes" Bad!

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Shack, what you are saying is that your going to Bagdad to fight for their freedom, but that we are not allowed to the basic freedom to criticize the our government. Makes perfect sense to me.

EBS - wrong.
Stay on target, please. I did not write that you couldn't or shouldn't criticize your government. You pulled that out of thin air. To the contrary, I even encourged more criticism by offering anyone who wanted to "split hairs" on the topic to start a new thread. (my post is still there) I never told anyone to shut up, or that they should not speak their mind.

. . . But just because one is being critical of their gov't doesn't mean one is exempt from a response. Why would anyone feel that their speach rights are being trampled on when an opposing viewpoint is similarly voiced? Where does THAT come from?

I don't know for sure, EBS, but what you appear to be saying is that you are uncomfortable with my counter-criticism. You somehow interpret it as some attempt of silencing. Freedom of speech does not exclude accountabilty for one's own words. People don't get to say/write anything they want and not expect to elicit a response.

Canibul - Damn Rebs!!
Sorry, my family wasn't yet in the disunited states went that whole thing went down.
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No, the gov't isn't always correct - right with you on that one man! I've seen enough in my short lifetime to agree with that. Hell, I work for the gov't and have seen (and still do) some pretty screwed up stuff. Makes your blood boil sometimes (even the little stuff). However, gov'ts are more reactive than proactive. This is due to political agendas being driven by the passions of the people and less on whether something is a wise or prudent idea. "Remember the Maine!" "Trail of Tears" "Manifest Destiny" "Desert One" . . . not to mention domestic issues . . .

As far as passports go - they're a good thing! I say again, "They are a good thing!" It is a program already established that has reasonable effetiveness (with the current exeptions of Can/Mex & Caribbean). It permits Customs and USCG to do their jobs more efficiently whereas previously it was loop holed. I agree with the new policy, and an relieved that the Congress actually passed something that starts to strengthen our borders.

In lieu of criticizing things it is also perfectly acceptable to agree with or support them as well as to criticize the opposition. That's also my right.
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Elitists? or Spoiled?

Maybe people think that they should be the exception to the rule? Do they think that they are different from everybody else?

Are they elite?
This thought seems to go along with being spoiled . . .
I kinda see an ascot, a martini glass, and a little blue "skipper" hat.

God help me, it seems so simple, you get a passport and put it in your pocket. . . . these same people "sail" boats?
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COMRAD

Min wage - no kidding. I bet they still wouldn't pay into socialist security. Whoops - not sure if I want to go there on this thread!!
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