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I've had to have a current passport since 1967, so actually I agree with you, its a good thing. Its fun to flash it to snippy little clerks at hotels etc. who want a picture-ID. They never know what to do with a passport. So they always ask, "dont you have a license or something else?" and I give em a pilots license...that screws em up too. Little bureaucratic wannabees....
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Canibul -
No doubt - what a shame. You could probably show'em a video rental card and they'd ok it.

Of course, as long as you have a currency or a cerrrrredit card - I'm sure that they'd do anything you want. To bad snippy little clerks give you such a hard time.

"You want to use a what? . . . a passport?"
"Mister, you could've gotten that anywhere." "I suppose the next thing you'll want is clean sheets and complementary soap!!' "The nerve of some people."


Course thats why they're behind the desk working for money and not on the oter side spending it. Poor souls.
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shack i couldn't agree with you more i was a foreigner 46 yrs ago. the problem today as yesterday most people have been programmed to believe every thing the media says about conservatism. don't take out of context. this country was somewhat founded on these ideals. not on liberalism. liberalism (socialism) is what caused the problems in Europe and has taken over here. parties don't mean crap any more. the people here have had it way to easy to long and now can't stand it when they are told that they have to actually be inconvenienced. heaven forbid the gov. that's trying to protect us wants to know who we are and what we are doing. it could be a slippery slope but if the govt. isn't allowed to check on people how can they stop the people who would do us harm. sorry for the rant been brewing for a while . regards all mike
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"When you travelled from Cape Fear to Florida you were probably outside the 12 mile limit and therefore should have checked in with Customs."
I DO appreciate that, but by the same logic then a flight from NY to FL would have to come through customs--as the the "fast" route down goes offshore south of Hatteras and even the inland route is allowed to be 50 miles offshore. (Commercial aircraft more than 50 miles offshore must carry different equipment, surprisingly enough the route you fly on any particular day may vary because of the particular aircraft making the trip.)

Now,before you say "Ah, but an aircraft is under the pilot's control..." Yes, but the pilot is just a Captain of a vessel. Same-same as a sailboat, legally.
Actually, checking in if you've been outside the 12 mile limit does make sense. Commercial aircraft may fly 50 miles offshore, but it is very unlikely that they stopped mid-air to pick anyone up. That is not the case with a boat. However, it would be fairly easy to pick someone up and bring them into the country, if you met with a foreign-flagged vessel in international waters. That's why they have that requirement.
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Hello, as a fresh fish, I've been reading a number of threads here to educate myself along with other sites and the good old standby, printed word. I just finished reading about entry in to the US. just last week and I think it goes about like this. If you are foreign, you check in with customs at the closest international port of entry. Just as you would entering into any other country. There are four different inspections to go through. I'm Canadian living in the Great Lakes area and so this is something I need to understand.

For Americans, if you come in contact with another vessle or stop at any port or anchorage outside of the US. you must clear customs upon your return. Just like returning from any trip out of the country.

If you often cross the border there is something called the I 68 form that allows you to bypass the inspections after you've been cleared but you still must check in everytime you enter the US.

Perhaps the 12 mile limit is a simplification on saying that if you go out of the country, which in more than putting a toe over the border, like entering port or anchorage or meeting with a vessel then you report in to customs. But if you happen to cross over the border while out sailing in rough weather unintentionally, then it really no harm or foul.

The bottom line is that there are people in this world who want to harm and kill innocent people and due to that some precautions need to be taken. While it's inconvenient, it's still far better than having to suffer another terrorist attack.

I think most Canadians understand this and having to present a valid passport is a small price to pay to enter the US. It is after all, a very nice country to visit. It's only a matter of making this proccess as quick and painless as possible and attitude goes along way in that department.
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Shack RIght on

However, I think the problem is deeper and more in line with being politicaly correct. Who is starting all the **** going on right now? and who's ass are we kissing to not offend anyone, So to cover that we all have to pay....IE no GATORAID on planes
GATORADE IS NOT THE PROBLEM
>
>Toiletries don't commit acts of terrorism.
>
>Muslims do.
>
>So why can't I take my toothpaste on the plane? How is it that Gatorade is
>forbidden? Why can't I have a bottle of water?
>
>Because we aren't really fighting a war with terror, we are losing a
>struggle with political correctness. It is not so much the evil of
>outsiders, it is the cowardice of Americans.
>
>The cowardice that won't let us call a spade a spade, that makes us all
>live in an alternate reality, that puts survival secondary to servility. We
>are fighting World War III with one arm tied behind our back.
>
>Last week was a good example.
>
>A group of two or three dozen fascist Muslims in England and Pakistan
>plotted to blow up 10 or 12 passenger-laden airliners in transatlantic
>flight. The purpose was to celebrate and reprise the at tacks of September
>11. The means was the detonation of explosive liquids disguised as common
>liquids – like Gatorade or shampoo.
>
>The plot was discovered, followed and – hopefully – foiled by British
>intelligence with an assist from Americans and Pakistanis. Immediately,
>new restrictions were put on airline passengers. Because the plotters
>planned to use liquids, passengers were forbidden to bring liquids onto
>airplanes.
>
>Not medicines, not creams, not drinks, not nothing. Untold hundreds of
>thousands of airline passengers immediately and indefinitely lost the right
>to carry liquids or pastes on themselves or in their carry-on luggage.
>
>Which is stupid!!
>
>Because Gatorade is not the problem.
>
>Muslims are the problem.
>
>Can we be honest enough to just admit that for a minute? The plotters
>uncovered in England wer e all Muslims. They all had Muslim names. They all
>but one or two were of Pakistani descent. They were motivated by religious
>bigotry. They wanted to kill because they were Muslim and they wanted to
>kill the people they wanted to kill because those people weren't Muslim.
>
>Yet political correctness forbids us from mentioning that, much less acting
>upon it.
>In fact, on the ABC network news over the weekend, the plotters were called
>British Extremists – as if somehow the fact they were in Great Britain was
>defining of their extremism. The fact is they were Muslim extremists, but
>the American media is so in bed with the diversity-training crowd that fact
>can't be mentioned.
>
>Also on American newscasts over the weekend, the story was told of three
>men buying thousands of disposable and untraceable cell phones, an activity
>with possible terrorist linkages. Not surprisingly , very few accounts noted
>that the men were Muslims with Muslim names.
>
>Political correctness has sanitized this fight to such an extent that we
>are not allowed to even identify the enemy.
>
>Which is not toothpaste.
>
>It is Islam.
>
>An Islam practiced by tens of millions of people around the world and which
>repeatedly and consistently puts armies and cells of terrorists in action
>around the world. No doubt there are peace-loving Muslims, it's just that
>they have an amazing capacity for keeping a low profile – or demanding that
>people respect their religion.
>
>Our desire not to offend Muslims and their culture has great potential to
>cost American lives. Countless American lives.
>
>Here's what I mean.
>
>Lets lay aside political correctness for a moment and use scientific
>analysis. Lets use reason and logic for just a minute.
>
>For example: How many terrorist acts have been committed involving liquids
>carried onto airplanes by passengers?
>
>Answer: Zero.
>
>Second question: How many terrorist acts involving airliners have been
>committed by Muslims?
>
>Answer: All of them.
>
>Third question: Why are we focused on liquids instead of Muslims?
>
>Answer: Beats me.
>
>Why is it that the protection of our airline industry is focused on
>products, not people? Why is it that we go to such extreme lengths to
>screen materials, but purposely avoid screening the people who carry them?
>
>Wouldn't we be safer if we focused our security efforts largely on Muslim
>passengers? Especially young, male Muslim passengers? Isn't the fact that
>every single act of airliner terrorism involved a young, male Muslim
>relevant?
>
>Does it make sense to take away a mother's bottle of Children's Tylenol and
>a grandmother's bottle of Coke while at the same time purposely not
>profiling likely terrorists?
>
>Can't we be honest enough to admit that profiling potential terrorists by
>religion, national origin, gender and age is a good idea? Aren't we bright
>enough to understand that asking a few extra questions of a young Muslim
>airline passenger is not the same as pulling over a black man just because
>he's driving in a white neighborhood?
>
>A group of people was arrested last week for plotting a terrorist attack.
>They were young Muslim men. Just like the group before that and the group
>before that and the group before that. And the group before that.
>
>So, naturally, you can't take Chapstick on an airplane.
>
>Toiletries don't commit acts of terrorism.
>
>Muslims do.
>
>Maybe if the government spent less time looking at y our carry-on bag and
>more time looking at young male Muslim passengers we'd all be a lot safer
>and a lot less inconvenienced.
>
>This isn't about Gatorade, this is about jihad. It's time to stop focusing
>on products and start focusing on people.
>
>People who happen to be Muslim.
>
>- by Bob Lonsberry © 2006
>
>What is even more troublesome is the fact that our elected politicians are
>more interested in not offending anyone - specifically their parties voters
>- or being negatively portrayed by the media. Fact is, these politicians
>play the play the 'politically correct' game to extremes. These
>self-serving politics are clearly putting the lives of thousands of
>Americans at risk every day for personal gain. And, they know it!
>
>When is America going to wake up? Do we need the have many thousands of
>Americans killed and injured by more Muslim extremi st before we do what is
>right to protect ourselves?
>
>Muslim extremist will cause the death of many thousands of innocent men,
>woman and children. These terrorist/killers only have to get it right once
>--- we have to get it right all the time. Yes, their primary goal is to
>kill as many innocent American men, woman and children as possible.
>
>Don't you remember thousands of Muslims around the world celebrating the
>9/11 murders. Don't you remember them dancing in the streets in many
>Islamic countries? Even Muslims communities in several European cities were
>celebrating!
>
Cap'n Dave
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Hey Capn', I know I feel safer if young male muslims are screened carefully before getting on planes but don't forget that there are disgruntled white christian americans out there too. When you're in the air you are so vulnerable that I have to question whether carrying toothpaste or gatorade on a plane should be declared a "right" as you call it.
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"Last time I checked Americans Citizens still run this country - not Dems, Reps, Greens, or Indpnt's. " So, you've been drinking the KoolAid? The American Citizens do not run this country. It is not a democracy, it is a federal republic, and sad to say most of the citizenry couldn't tell an apple from an orange without illustrated instructions.
Look at WCBS-TV, who recently replaced their anchor with Katy Couric, who says everything real simple and slow in case the children can't understand the issues. Got a local newspaper? Most of them are pitched to a 6th or 7th grade literacy level, only a RARE few like the WSJ, NYT, or Washington Post even attempt to stay near the 10th grade level. Or used to. Yes, a respected editor-in-chief told me that.

Sailingdog-
The point is not that the plane could pick someone up in midair, but they *could* easily divert and land on foreign soil. Given their speeds, quite possibly more likely than a pokey old sailboat.



Guys, bear in mind that terrorists are not all Muslims. Oklahoma City was domestic. The Unibomber was domestic. And the BD Cooper, the guy who bailed out the tail end of a 727 with millions and never was found again (and the reason we aren't allowed to use the rear exits even today!) was domestic.

On the other hand, the Church of Rome was pretty good at institutionalized murder and mayhem from the time it was, what, a thousand years old until fairly recently? Maybe the Pope just needs to speak out and admit that Islam is just a bit younger than the Church, and is only making THE SAME MISTAKES THAT HIS CHURCH MADE FOR SO MANY CENTURIES. And maybe Dubyah needs to stop fractionalizing the world by saying "God Bless America", let's face it, he means "Jesus Bless America" and that offends about 80% of the world, who would probably prefer to hear him say "May the Gods Bless America".

America and most of the world has been ignoring radical Islamic terrorists since 1948, when the Moslem Imam of Jerusalem declared the Jihad that started the entire Arab/Israeli conflict.

Perhaps we spawn of Satan need to remove ourselves from the fanatics in Islam and let mainstream Islam deal with its own problem. Draw up a list of the leading fanatic factions, and the top ten holy places they revere. And every time there is one bomb, one rocket, one murder, on hijacking...We just cross one holy spot off the list, starting with the Mosque of the Golden Dome, or someplace equally noticeable.

I figure after the first two or three spots get crossed off the list and turned into molten glass lakes, Islam will figure out how to play nicely in the global sandbox. All by itself.

That won't stop domestic terrorists, but it will put the ball in the home court.
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Red face Hellosailor yer right all terrorist

are not muslim, however the radical survivalist, usually get found out pretty fast, as they all live in Montana, or Colorado, LOL.

The problem as I see it is, we are giving up our freedom little by little everyday. Undue searches, etc. and what about innocent until proven guilty? Let some snot nose girl, boy, accuse you of touching her, (I gave her a hug, your honor)and your guilty, even if your not proven guilty in a court, you are still guilty, you just got away with it. You will probably lose your job and even worse.

Now dont get me wrong if a person would be found guilty and realy is, I would hang them by the balls.

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Cool

Hmm...Capn Dave you're right. domestic terrorists all come places with no sea coast. Maybe if they spent some time sailing they wouldn't be so dissatisfied.
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