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[ebs001]

Rick, I guess the airplanes were not real either. There was a program on TV which refuted all the arguements that the conspiracy experts put forth. They didn't land on the moon either, JFK is still alive as is Elvis .....

[xort]

Yesterday, while sitting around sucking on my crack pipe, I figured it out...Carl Rove did it.

[Rickm505]

Guys, how interesting that instead of reading about this, you guys make jokes. These guys aren't proposing any conspiracy theory, and if I inferred that in my post, I'll apologize right now.

What they are saying is the offical report is 'rubbish'. I would suggest that before you ridicule, you do the homework. There are professional people around the country with careers and reputations on the line, because they've made this assertion, and making fun of them isn't going to make the problem go away.

Furthermore, I don't know anyone who who call any of these engineering guru's crackposts or crackheads. These are the men who actually wrote all the textbooks, and might just know what they're talking about.

Rick in Florida

[Rickm505]

"Rick, if it wasn't for global warming, the geological record shows that the "normal and usual" condition on Planet Earth right now would be just about smack in the middle of another Ice Age. Not a little one, but a full blown one."

This was a lead on MSNBC today

"Global temperatures are dangerously close to the highest ever estimated to have occurred in the past million years, scientists reported Monday....."

Rick in Florida

[hellosailor]

Rick, the WTC attacks happened on MY island on MY turf. I take them personally.

Nevertheless, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what was really happening after the crashes. Each tower, 110 stories (approximately 1100 feet) tall. Each rubble pile after collapse, approx. 6-7 stories above ground, plus the 7 stories below ground, that's 117 stories collapsed into a space 14 stories tall. 1170 feet reduced to 140 feet. Now, if you know the most basic math, one "story" in a building is about ten feet, and ten percent of that is the structural material of the building itself. So, if 1100 feet of building was collapsed into a pile 110 feet tall--there would be zero voids, zero spaces, zero survivors. Hmm....isnt' it amazing how close that was to the numbers observed?

The "rescuers" were intentionally allowed into harms way, the fires were intentionally allowed to burn, because people felt they needed to "do something" after the attack. And now, they are dying in droves from lung ailments and other problems. The 9/11 response was a mollifying dog and pony show, no more no less. Every night the appeal went out on the Netwrok Nooze for flashlight batteries, socks, pajamas, something so people could feel they were "doing" something. In point of fact, all of these good were locally available under NYS law, specifically, the NYS Military Laws allowed *any* NYS Militia officer (aka National Guard) to pick them up locally and deliver them. Yet the NYS Guard made no official attempt to do so.

The 9/11 response has to count as one of the worst public frauds since the sinking of the Lusitania (which officially was not carrying the war materials which were documented on her cargo manifest) or the Gulf of Tonkin Incident (which has also been confirmed as total fraud).

Governments lie. That's part of their job.

Thank the gods [plural, intentionally] that the ragheads have only rags for brains, and no real idea of how to do damage in the US. All they are doing, is using our own CIA guide books (from the 50's and 60's] and our own CIA "get the Ruskies out of Afghanistan" training, against us. And not very well, at that.

Do the math, look at the facts and numbers, not the opinions. There's an awful lot of smoke and mirrors and the rubes have been falling for it--as they always do.

[Rickm505]

No one seems to be taking the time to actually see that things aren't adding up. Instead it's easier to poke fun at it, so it 'goes away'. I have to tell you, I was in that category until I read the dissenting reports.

Thermite at the base of the towers brought those buildings down, not burning jet fuel 800 feet up in the air. The thermite traces were detected from the ruble they dumped on Staten Island.

The real questions now is how the heck could somebody (more than likely a bunch of somebodies) lay charges in advance, without being noticed? Were they Moslems? And why didn't the government tell us what happened?

[ebs001]

Rick what I'm saying is your ******** does not trump my ********. So don't give me ****. Beleive what you want but the engineers of which you speak are only theorizing; they do not have proof.
Hellosailors math lesson means squat. Your assumptions are incorrect and therefore your conclusion.
You criticize us for not reading the dissenting views but have not read anything disproving your theory. Do your homework, Rick
Elvis lives

[Shack]

Originally Posted by Rickm505

No one seems to be taking the time to actually see that things aren't adding up.

Stop contradicting yourself. You just said that a bunch of VERY credible people just did a complete an scientific analysis of a bunch of smoking debris. Sounds like you have pleanty of people taking the time to find stuff that doesn't "add up".

The problem you are running into is there there are more people with "credentials" out there than you realize. Some are crackpots even though they still have credentials. What kind of people are they? They still want and need that recognition. I'm sure they were rebuked earlier in life and now need to do the "I;ll show YOU guys!" retort. SO they skyline themselves with this "shocking" and "revealing " theory for the same reason . . . they want to be seen and heard to continue feeling important.

But this is just as telling about you. Just becasue one expert says "X" and 100 others say "Y", you automatically want to go with the exception? Now, why is that? I believe it is because you are a distrusting person and look for exceptions like this. You need these to support your paranoia - and prove that you are not insignificant.

Tell me truthfully . .. I bet every one of these little conspiracy things that come around reallly do interest you (be honest). JFK, Roswell, Black Helicopters, etc . . . You must have been made to feel aweful as a kid to have so much of a need for the 1%.

I can use the same exceptional line of arguments to prove to you that the world is flat - you want to go there? Or are you already in the Flat Earth Society?

[Notsosalty]

Rather, should the North West Passage open to year round travel, Panama would become a second rate toxic waste route prone to pirates and corupt officials. This would put Canada and Alaska in the preverbial Cat-bird seat.

Goe-politically I don't think the problem is "rag heads' as some neanderthal has suggested, but the religious fundimentalism both xtian (bushco) and islamic (Al Qeada)
that currently have control over a number of governments world wide.

Kick religion out of government, like the American fore-fathers meant it to be, along with the other inteligent minds in the world, and we can move on from this narrow minded dumbing down of the population into leading the world into prosparity for all.

[Rickm505]

So, now I'm a nutcase? Interesting....

A few sentences in the FEMA report [Chapter 2]

"The large quantity of jet fuel carried by each aircraft ignited upon impact into each building. A significant portion of this fuel was consumed immediately in the ensuing fireballs. The remaining fuel is believed either to have flowed down through the buildings or to have burned off within a few minutes of the aircraft impact. The heat produced by this burning jet fuel does not by itself appear to have been sufficient to initiate the structural collapses. However, as the burning jet fuel spread across several floors of the buildings, it ignited much of the buildings' contents, causing simultaneous fires across several floors of both buildings."

"To obtain the melting temperature for steel - not iron - one needs the external temperature of approximately 2,900 degrees (F) with enough time for the metal to convert from a solid to a liquid. The process can be accelerated, but only with a much higher temperature such as Thermite approximately 5,400 degrees (F). That's almost twice the needed heat. All the pooled jet fuel in the world won't burn hot enough to produce molten steel - under any conditions."

"Relative to the 'temperature' argument, the imagery of the WTC does NOT reveal the aluminum siding of the WTC towers deforming. Thus, given the constant exposure - over time - to any escaping heat, it is difficult to imagine the fires being so hot as to cause either catastrophic or abrupt damage to the WTC vertical support structure and not effect the the aluminum siding."

Fellas, It's not ME saying this... It's our own government. Oh... that's right, they must be the nutcases, right?