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If your halyard is fully hoisted, then you need a cunningham to tighten your main luff - it's a cringle in the luff usually 8 - 10 inches above the tack of the sail (below the first reef). You will need at least a 4 part tackle to effectively use this control, and it should be led to the cockpit for easy access. You pull down from here to increase halyard (luff) tension.

Furling the genny actually can make weather helm worse by shifting your overall center of effort aft as you concentrate power in the main. Reefing the main is the better approach.

Having a good, (easy to adjust under all conditions) traveller is the best tool for handling puffs and gusts and easing heavy weather helm. Using the sheet to depower will often result in a more powerful shape due to increased twist. This does not help your situation until the sail is nearly fully luffing.

MANY people sail without an anemometer - and many anemometers that are fitted often do not work reliably - so just getting used to the feel of the boat, the wind on your face and the look of the sea will guide you to sail selection and whether or not to reef (usually sooner than later, right about the time you first wonder "should we")

Keep on experimenting, it will come to you in time.
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Ahh...I get it...by keeping the main sheeted in one has flattened the sail, and then by allowing the main to travel off-wind changes the angle of attack...

A bit more complicated than the Sunfish...

I didn't worry about reefing, just kept sailing on as pinched a course as possible and she went quite well. The breeze didn't feel that bad to me - strong, but not bad. The Bayfield needs a strong breeze as she's a bit heavy.

I'll work on the traveling part as I'm not used to that...

We do have a "downhaul" (as my brother called it).

We'll work on it all...

Thanks for the advice!

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It looks like a perfect weekend for good sailing fun. NOAA just posted small craft advisory for today and tomorrow for the upper Chesapeake Bay. . In other words, we are going be out there with our tiny boat If you are going be out there, look for us with a sail # 2475.

It will be sunny with a high of 62 degree. It will not too cold unless we capsize.

Have fun with you boat before the snow comes. Hey, where is my snow board?
the water is still pretty warm on the North East river above Turkey Point..
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I must admit that I tend to use halyard tension more than cunningham adjustment but that may be simply a case of our sail track not jamming even under quite high loads. If it does feel a bit tight then two possibilities, one I have the helmsman luff her up for a second while I give a quick turn on the halyard winch or if that's not looking feasible then it's two, time to reef. Note that our old dear is only 34 feet loa with mast only 40 feet above the deck. If she had a taller rig this would be harder to accomplish so the cunningham would be a must.
Faster touched on this, almost everyone reefs too late. The old saying is that if you think it's time to reef you probably should already have done so. It's a whole lot easier to shake out a reef than put one in so if the wind drops you can increase sail with no huge effort. Reefing the main on an already overpowered boat is not a great deal of fun.
Presuming that your headsail is on a furler and given that a partially furled sail is never at it's best you are better to try and keep full sail up front and reef you main. On our boat which has an inner forestay I hank on and tie to the deck our storm jib if it looks like a blow is imminent. Procedure is then to drop in a reef (I usually go straight to a double) , then furl the genoa completely and raise the storm jib. I must confess however that the only time I have performed this all the way through to the raising of the storm jib was in a deadcalm as a practice run. I've never experienced winds high enough with this boat to do the whole procedure.

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Ahh...I get it...by keeping the main sheeted in one has flattened the sail, and then by allowing the main to travel off-wind changes the angle of attack...

A bit more complicated than the Sunfish...

I didn't worry about reefing, just kept sailing on as pinched a course as possible and she went quite well. The breeze didn't feel that bad to me - strong, but not bad. The Bayfield needs a strong breeze as she's a bit heavy.

I'll work on the traveling part as I'm not used to that...

We do have a "downhaul" (as my brother called it).

We'll work on it all...

Thanks for the advice!

Sincerely,

/s/ Jon C. Munson II
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I didn't worry about reefing, just kept sailing on as pinched a course as possible and she went quite well. The breeze didn't feel that bad to me - strong, but not bad. The Bayfield needs a strong breeze as she's a bit heavy.
Jon - given you are sailing a Bayfield with its limited draft and long keel, if you persist in "pinching" excessively to avoid heeling rather than reefing you will probably find that your leeway will increase exponentially.

You get very little lift from your keel anyway, so leeway is going to be a problem anyhow. The end result is your VMG to weather will suffer for it.

Reef when necessary, your boat speed will increase, handling will be easier and you'll get upwind that much sooner too.
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Thanks Faster (and everyone else too)!

I'll give that a shot the next time those conditions exist.

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